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I don't mean to seem as if the sky isn't falling, but do we really need to get all wound up about stories that basically happen everyday - somewhere?
For instance, gas is below $10 in the States. Why isn't anybody talking about that? It was $15, 2 weeks ago. Economides was predicting $20 gas by Christmas. Simmons was predicting $200+ oil this winter.
The UK, as you well know, is an island(s). Islands have problems the rest of the world doesn't.In this case it is the "island factor" that is exacerbating any energy problems. On the island I grew up on they pay close attention to water usage (believe it or not) - why? because they don't want to have to build another desalinization(sp?) plant.
Anybody see the Boston Globe article on Nantucket having to run a second undersea electricity cable from Cape Cod to meet the ridiculous new amount of demand coming from all the air-conditioning for its McMansions? Everybody was paying a $5-10 surcharge on their bills every month to pay for the first cable. Now what? These are the same people who don't want a line of windmills blocking their pristine view of the ocean. Or was that Martha's Vineyard?
The UK is just a larger version of this problem. But if any society can handle it, it is the British. Fear not.
Are you trying to make people feel better by saying that in 2 weeks the price of gas swung 33% and that it currently resides 500% above the price the oil companies were promising just a couple years ago? What happens to an economy with that kind of energy volatility?
Yes, society can handle it, but not until society realize it has a problem, and if you think the people in the United States understand we have problem, your wrong. Remember we all realized 30 years ago that the supply of fossils fuels on this planet was finite and all we've done in that time is burn more.
And yes the speculators and the arbitragers love volatility.
I checked, but the Financial Times wants $300 for a subscription so I can read the article titled "Gas markets calm down." Maybe you have a subscription.
When I get around to it I'll post a chart I've got doing a crude-to-NG BTU comparison. I really wouldn't start even thinking about gas until is moves past 20. In fact, we want it past 20. That will give more incentive to the industry to promote it. We are going to need gas as a substitute for oil. We need to start building that infrastructure now. Low prices, no investment. We may need to see oil go above 100 in order to push up gas accordingly. WE STILL FLARE RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF GAS for no other reason than there is no infrastructure there to contain it.
Hmm gas prices rising 500% in the last several years and that's not volatile? You might ask Calpine about that. Gas past 20 will allow the industry to promote it, as opposed the building of over 90% of new US electricity generation of the past ten years being natural gas fired and much of that capacity idle, it is in desperate need of promotion.
The US economy is built on cheap fossil fuels, the question is how that economy changes with more expensive fossil fuels and whether you can do it without a crisis. With a world economy growing at 2005 speed, natural gas will never be 2.50 as the oil companies promoted for the last ten years. All that infrastructure and even more the ability to "secure" it, say for example like we're doing in Iraq, is going to be expensive and that money is going to come from somewhere. The whole world wants it, not just Europe and the US.
I'm all for expensive fossil fuels, its necessary, but transitioning to new sources isn't going to be painless.
Gas doesn't seem to be traded in bourse (or at least I can't find it). The Guardian as a nice article on the subject.
Two things:
.Gas markets in UK and North America are trading supplies from different places, so no big relation between them.
.Oil markets are more connected, since you can easely transport liquids from one side of the Atlantic to the other.
It just happends that gas problems in UK and the US are occurring simultaneously. The high volatile prices in the NYMEX are the consequence of a large gap between demand and supply.
A daily average gas price index for front month futures settlements can be obtained for free at
www.theice.com/marketdata/ukNaturalGas/ukNatGasIndex.jsp
Continuous spot prices have to be paid for.
As you can see fron the index the price rose from GBP 2.788/Million BTU ($5.04)on June 29 2005 to peak at GBP 10.843/Million BTU ($18.76)on December 3 2005 and has now fallen back to GBP 8.292/Million ($14.59)
But don't quote me on those numbers. Isaiah will be all over my case.
To my knowledge Simmons once said that Oil could reach as high as $100/bbl this winter. Suddenly this was interpreted as Simmons has definitively stated that oil would be at least $100/bbl this winter. And now you're cranking it up to $200.
That really hurts the whole peak oil awareness effort, as it makes it very easy for the POD (peak oil denier) People to color us as a bunch of catastrophist loons.
This post is not aimed at the author above I just thought it would be a good place to insert it.
louGrinzo's last comment about others coloring us as a bunch of catastrophist loons makes a lot of sense to me.
This is in fact the reason I mentioned the $200 in the first place. Pumping up doomsday scenarios to draw attention to the cause ultimately hurts the credibility of the cause.
For the last three years I have expected and predicted higher oil prices in line with what has actually happened, and I continue to feel that will be the direction of the trend. But I felt there were realistic limits to this trend in the short term. That's why the quote struck me as odd.
So here it it. It was posted on Land of Black Gold in late October. The original Reuters link has been removed, at least I couldn't get it to connect. some of the material appears to be written by the author of the blog. You can visit personally if you like.
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Reuters: Oil guru says crude could hit $190 this winter.
The title should really point out that he talks about natural gas or oil.
Quotes:
Consumers should brace for crude oil and natural gas prices possibly doubling or tripling this winter, Matthew Simmons, a best-selling author and oil-supply bear, said on Wednesday.
"Prices are really cheap today and they need to go a lot higher, and they probably will go a lot higher," Simmons said in Ottawa.
"I am very concerned, given the destructive damage done by (Hurricanes) Katrina and Rita, that the United States must be closer to starting to see significant product shortages than we've seen since 1979."
Too much got destroyed and too little has been brought back on stream, the Houston-based analyst said.
He also said that cold weather this winter could bring a very high risk of natural gas curtailment in the United States.
"Either one of those events (oil product shortage or natural gas shortage) could send prices two to three times higher than they are today," he said after a speech in Ottawa.
That could translate into natural gas prices of $40 per million British thermal units from more than $13 now, he said. Doubling or tripling crude would put it in the range of $125 to $190 per barrel.
"Everyone keeps thinking there is a (price) ceiling...There is no ceiling," said Simmons, who wrote in his book "Twilight in the Desert" that Saudi oil output is at or near its peak.
He said he has seen little sign that higher prices so far have done much to reduce consumption.
Simmons said supplies of heating fuel oil were in okay shape, but could drain fast if the weather turned cold. Diesel is tight and shortages of jet fuel had caused some planes to be diverted from some airports.
"It's going to be painful for people to get used to actually paying real money for a really valuable resource," he said.
** end of citation
http://lobg2.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_lobg2_archive.html
Yes, it wasn't $200+, it was actually $190. No, he didn't "predict" it would go there, just suggested it could. But, that is how I remembered it. I apologize to anybody I've annoyed with my careless inattention to details. It would also be nice if we paid closer attention to the validity of other numbers and their importance, rather than just those of the Great God Simmons.
Keep in mind, no matter how much you may agree with Simmons (and I do) - he is still selling books. Don't take that as an accusation, just keep it in mind. He has every temptation to let his forecasts slip in an upward manner. If he did in fact say what he did, it would appear to be not so well thought out.
For the record, I have read his book cover to cover. I am not, and have never been a "POD."
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/11/03/simmons/
The prediction was $200 by 2010