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Leanan on April 6, 2006 - 3:46pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Mormons are supposed to keep a year's supply of food for their families.  You might try Googling LDS sites.  They've got some good tips on building your stores on a budget.

And here's a government site:

http://pandemicflu.gov/plan/checklists.html

It's on preparing for bird flu, but much of the information would be useful for other emergencies, too.

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Mad Maxout on April 6, 2006 - 10:54pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
And Mormons are heavy into childbirth. I guess they don't care about their childrens' future. :( I put Mormons into the fundamentalistic catagory. Joseph Smith of the 1800s was a charlitan par excellance, and made himself a "church" to have himself multiple wives a la polygamy. Yecch. And of course, people fell for it and Utah is crawling with the descendants of the result. No good. And they oppose drinkable ethanol.

As if Peak Oil wan't a big enough challenge, the fact that most people go on Faith and trust in clerics (any religion will do) we are in for some nasty times ahead. The mormons are a perfect case, no more or less than the moslems. HELLO!!!

Oil is going to decline and no amount of praying is going to load gas into that car! Outside of the mormons, there is another problem with slowing population production. Some women think of having kids in a way like generating free-to-get but high-maintenance pets. You heard right. I was talking to a lady and after I said I was gladder and gladder every day I never had kids she described the joy of seeing kids who share her properties as in colour of eyes, shape of body, and so on. I walked away shaking my head, and that was after saying America is going to hell in a handbasket.

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Dan Ur on April 6, 2006 - 11:37pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I would not pray for gas to be loaded in my car. I would pray for stamina and trust that I can get from point A to point B on my own two feet.  

I have always maintained that if asked, Jesus would still walk. Not drive anything we have today.

As to the Lady and here kids,  So there is another reason we have a messed up society and kids get to do anything they want to do.  

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expat on April 7, 2006 - 1:54am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
'I have always maintained that if asked, Jesus would still walk. Not drive anything we have today.'

That is actually an interesting thought. The idea of driving himself is one thing, but would he use something powered to spare his feet or go more quickly between two places?

I could certainly imagine Jesus doing that. I doubt he would refuse to use a bicycle, for example, or hopping a ride on the back of a farm tractor or something going between towns.  As for water vessels, obviously he would have no problem, so he would not need to use aircraft for any reason to travel. No idea if Jesus would or would not fly, or use rail though.

The idea of having one of humanity's more persuasive and respected moral teachers return to our current world and then thinking about it, though, would generally be idle distraction. But the question of how such a teacher would travel fits well into much of what is considered here.

What a measure of the difference between two epochs in human existence. And somehow, since peak oil is also essentially about changing epochs, worth a moment to reflect on in those terms alone.

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AlanfromBigEasy on April 7, 2006 - 12:35am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Salt Lake City and Denver (also with high LDS population) are two of the three US cities most serious about transforming themselves away from the car. (Miami is the other).

In 2007, SLC is likely to have a vote to triple taxes in order to build their aggressive light rail & streetcar plans in less than 30 years.  Denver is well on the way to building a 117 mile Urban Rail system (a mix of commuter & light rail).

The LDS culture is much better prepared for Peak Oil (with community, mutual support, an emphasis on saving & preparing, etc.) than the rest of the US.

I am not Mormon, but I find your prejudice "distasteful", to be polite.

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GeoPoet on April 7, 2006 - 9:16am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Mad Maxout -

I wish you would just lay off stereotyping. You could pick on Baptists just as easily about ethanol, or Scientologists about the real basis of their beliefs or Catholics for their abhorrence of birth control. I know lots of LDS folks, and for the most part, they are a lot like everybody else, with the same worries, fears and hopes. Point of fact, if you strip out the religious stuff, most of us are VERY MUCH alike. We all want to survive, enjoy life and let our kids carry our genes forward.

Throwing out the "religion card" is just about like throwing out the "race card" - all it does is alienate people who might, just possibly, save your life some day...one never knows how the wheel turns!

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