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sr on March 15, 2006 - 3:34pm

Twilight, do you think Theodore Herzl was a racist and would-be genocideur? That is what you imply. Did he "plan to finish off the others"? If not, then why am I those things for wanting to emulate him? [I know why. Will you say it?]

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writerman on March 15, 2006 - 6:32pm

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't think you really mean all that stuff about WNEF. Your probably an ok guy underneath it all. You know that kind of thing is really not the anwer to our problems. Not Peak Oil and not the population question. The world is just too complicated and hard to control to believe in such ideological simplicity. And please don't think I'm attempting to patronize you, I not. I'm just trying to understand you.

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Twilight on March 15, 2006 - 8:17pm

writerman, people have always used times of major upheaval to further whatever agendas they already had. The idea of having the constraints of society's limitations loosened has all sorts of bats flying out of the belfry.

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wkwillis on March 17, 2006 - 6:33am

You pushed one of my buttons. Herzl was not a racist, he was not into genocide, and more specifically, he was not the kind of real estate developer that stole the Palestinian's land and marked it up to sell to Jewish immigrants.
Herzl believed and advocated a Jewish state that was urban and that did not steal land from Arabs, and didn't steal their water, either. He was intent on letting the Arabs have the land, the water, the pasture, the fishing industry, and any minerals that turned up. He wanted to build a Singapore, not an Israel.
Which is why he and the rest of the German Zionists were purged by the Russian Na-Zionichki in 1904 or sometime, and lost control to the steal the land and run off the natives fruitcakes running Israel now.
He wrote "Altneustadt" (literally "oldnewstate") about what he thought Israel should be like. Read it sometime, if you can find it.

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