yeah, about a year and a half.  
there's nothing quite like your first peak oil bitchslap.
seeing as this is an empirical question, let's see how we are in nine months, eh?
(if it's anything like those winning peak oil scenarios over at beyondpeak.org, we're foooked.)
"There's nothing like your first peak oil bitchslap."

Right you are.  Last year, at my spouse's suggestion, I did a few sessions with a psychologist to work through my own post-bitchslap depression.  The shrink knew, of course, nothing about the peak oil concept, but after a half-dozen sessions I felt I had him pretty well educated.  At our last visit, I suggested he do some marketing in this soon-to-be-booming niche.  Could be a strong growth sector for psychologists!

Did you charge a good fee for the education given? Or did he?

But I agree, there is a growing demand for healing...

There seems to be a common theme here.
My spouse also recommended that I need to see a shrink.
The Tree of Knowledge is a depressing thing, especially once you grasp the visceral impacts of peak oil and rapid climate change.

Lately, I've been catching my once-doubting spouse start to mention the "oil problem" to her friends every now and then. Something has penetrated. We may have a miracle conversion in the making here. Maybe it's the current gasoline prices and the dawning realization that we can't keep going this way. But something is penetrating.

Maybe I won't need to see a shrink after all.
Maybe I'm not the one who is "crazy".
Maybe I'm depressingly sane.

Maybe life is just a bitchslap.

Be careful if you get your spouse agree with you.  My wife and I are right in step on these issues, as well as our concerns about the political and economic situation.  I consider it a great advantage, as we can work together in preparations, BUT.... it does tend to feed on itself!  We have to work to keep from getting too far out.  Or maybe we shouldn't. Or....hell, I don't know!

Always a battle between what you think you see coming, and what actions you take in response.  As we've all said before, there are big risks in both under and over reacting.

I can very much relate to the issue of how strongly to react/prepare for the coming problems.  I think "Bitchsplap" is a potent way to describe the disorietation-like quality I felt after reading Kuntsler's book and my subsequent web research. Life is made all the stranger by the apparent blissful ignorance of the vast majority of even the well-educated public.  Even the gas price spike has only resulted in the usual out-pouring of reassurance from the CERA's that all is well, and David Brooks today in the NYT assures us that the "Smartest People" in both the Republican and Democratic parties are setting a tone to "NOT WORRY, BE HAPPY".  Indeed, if PO is here or at the door WE ARE COMPLTETELY F**KED.
A feeling of "disorientation", my comments:

Everything from one's notion of right and wrong, their model of the world, their idea of the future, their own identity, etc. is shaped by what I call their "tribal affliations."

In the environment in which we evoloved, your tribal affliations were incredibly important to your survival. Thus the human brain evolved to delete, deny, or downplay anything that threatend them.

Here in the states, most of are affliated with the "technology and progress is good, the future will be better than the present" tribe.

The feeling of "disorientation" results from having your tribal affliations threatened, more so than being nervous about your future economic prospects.

Best,

Matt

Regarding "tribal affiliation,"

I think this is compounded when you have a family to consider.  I certainly want my kids' futures to be as good as or better than the current state, so the notion that there may/will be a major economic/societal/political reversal is a practically inescapable depressant.  Other future-shaping Big Issues like GW compound this.

My shrink was mildly helpful, but the thing that put real closure to my "depression phase" was my decision to do everything I could to prepare my family.  These include a range of things-- stuff like buy a hybrid; bike & walk whenever possible; join a local farm's CSA; educate the kids on food, gardening, reuse/renew/recycle, and where things come from; get in good physical and mental shape.  Many other things too, but none of them rocket science-- this is really all just common sense.  It's a lifestyle adjustment that feels good, and as I've said before I haven't made any changes that I would regret even if the S doesn't HTF.

Also, my attitude toward many things has of course shifted.  What once seemed normal now seems absurd.  This is sometimes a source of tension with the spouse, but I try to be as patient as possible.

Is this a break from the "tribal affiliation," as you call it?  Maybe.  I think it probably is and will be a pretty common path for a lot of people.

I have come to the belief that depression is your body's signal that whatever you are doing is not likely to maximize your chances of survival/personal EROEI.

In my experience, most people report that action is the antedote to their peak oil related depression. This gels with my belief that happiness/joy is evolution's carrot. Fear exists to keep you safe when you're threatened. Depression exists to shut you down when you're wasting your energy/time. Happiness exists to get you moving in the correct direction.

When the "genetic-subconscious axis" senses that you are doing something that will improve your chances of survival/personal EROEI, it releases the dopamine to get you to do it again.

Best,

Matt

"Here in the states, most of are affliated with the "technology and progress is good, the future will be better than the present" tribe."

Which, of course, is not a tribe or anything like one. I agree  that tribal affiliation is now and will increasingly be of great importance. Race is like spades (the suit) in spades (the card game): always trump. The fundamental lie of 20th century liberal thought was that race is unreal or unimportant. If you believe this lie, actually believe it (as opposed to bullying or lying to other people to make them act as though it were true), then it isn't hard to guess which race you in fact belong to. Wake up, ma cherie sheeple.

Certainly - I belong to the human race.  Which one do you belong to?
I come from perhaps the second most ethnically and culturally homogenous country in the world, where 99% of people of are white and not very economically diversified either. It's OK, but sucks in many respects compared to living in the SF Bay Area with its fantastic diversity of people.

I believe race should be unimportant and that it's unfortunate that it still has the weight it does. There is hope, since it's a cultural construct (we don't talk about the Irish Race so much nowadays, do we?)

So, which race do I "in fact belong to"?

Matt,

Your words hit so true on the mark.
I had to "drive" one of my kids to the doctor this morning and then had to "drive" to the pharmacy to pick the quickly needed medicine. Without aid of a car, my kid would be up infection canal without a paddle.

While driving, I observed store after store on the avenue devoted to our car-centered tribal way of life: Joe's Auto Body Fixit Shop, Roy's Drive-through Restaurant, Guss's Gas Station, and so on. Meanwhile all around me, other folk were hurrying inside their personalized transport robots going from here to there while yakking on their cell phones (we can do that in California). There were dozens of delivery trucks and service trucks whizzing back and forth. My gosh what would all these people do if the gasoline stopped flowing tomorrow? I think 99% of them are oblivious to the impending disaster.

But my main point is this. The Doctor's livelihood depends on my driving to his office. The pharamacist's livelihood depends on my driving to his store and also on the delivery trucks bringing in fresh stock every week. Pretty much every service person we depend on and every retailer we depend on has a counterpart dependance on us, the customers being able to get to them  by car and for fresh supplies to be trucked to them.

The next time you are driving down Main Street, think about how every business on that boulevard depends on the automobile for bringing customers and supplies to them. It's a shocker. We are fish swimming in an ocean of fossil fuel dependency to the point where we cannot see it any quicker than a real fish sees the water.

(And of course what good would all those billboard ads be if no one is driving by to look at them? Just some random thoughts from the boulevard.)

Mat, I can recognize that you are familiar with evolutionary psychology as am I and professionally so (I am a psychiatrist at an academic medical center).  I agree with you in the sense that the disorientation I experienced was related to my basic investment in a social frame (most clearly a tribal context for our ancestors)is now under major threat.  However, I am pretty well trained to be self aware and make a minimal use of simple avoidance, denial, etc.  So, am aware of ongoing disconnects between present life context and possibly rapidly approaching future conditions.  For ancestors this would have been time to migrate or splt the tribe (or at least consider it).  
Doctor Dave,

In your professional opinion, do you think Peak Oil can lead to families splitting up (i.e divorces) as one spouse goes permaculture route and the other toward high tech solutions?

Yes, it would make sense that such splits would be likely to occur.  I think divorces are typically precipitated by fundamental differences in values, expectations and approaches to life problems and certainly different means of dealing with scarcity are lkely to be included in those differences.  And, consistent with Matt's discription of problems with "Tribal Affiliations", significant differences in material culture are typical between tribe differences and breed conflict and, by extension, could bear upon couples.  D
"For ancestors this would have been time to migrate or splt the tribe (or at least consider it)."

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Exactly, hence the anguish. It becomes very difficult to reconcile your new found knowledge with your lifelong tribal affliations. But what is one to do, realistically speaking? Where else are you going to go and who else are you going to affliate yourself with when most everyone around you is fully invested (emotionally, financially, etc) in a "business as usual" (BAU) scneario?

Sure, I suppose some folks could join an eco-village or something along those lines but (assumming that is even a wise choice) if your lifelong tribal affliations lay squarely with people who are invested in BAU how successful is such an endeavor likely to be?

Best,

Matt

That is most exactly the dilemma.  D
These "tribal affiliations" obviously include our education (this is where I see the link with our technology obsessions). But also there's what the preacher told us and what society wanted us to be like.

But from what I've learned and experienced, the root of our conceptions and illusions come from our parents (the most direct genetical link anyway). From the moment we're born we have to make sure our parents love and accept us in order to survive. But since they'r also people, with their own parents, they only do so if we behave the way they want (and still, they did the best they could).

If dad says you can't love your mother, because he already does (or whatever, Oedipus has many faces) - this brings a major conflict to our little, open and fragile childrens' heart. These hearts know all about love, but nothing about conditional love. So hence we flex it, deceive ourselves, tighten it with muscles and become angry for the rest of our lives - projecting this anger and frustration on anyone who even faintly echoes mam's or dad's voices from the early days of our lives.

This third and last year of my "personal development" training only addressed my (our) relationship with mom and dad, and my manouvring in this triangle. Very, very unsettling and simply heart breaking to be confronted with the behaviour and neurotics I've apparantly build on this. Everybody in my group has been hopelessly lost in the sight of this (and got the opportunity to correct these things - rocketing them into authenticy afterward)

My major PO bitchslap (an almost nonstop 3 days & nights of reading, clicking, breathing, puking and crying) happened about 3 months ago. I can rattle about the details in lenght, but it fully fitted in my process of accepting my mother and opening for the sorrow of abuse and surpressed female love. I've always had a good relationship with my parents, enjoyed a happy youth but to the extend earth is like a mother: I still feel good about being in touch with all of that.

I don't have kids, nor a blond hotty to grow 'm in, but the more I respect those who struggle to give their kids all needed to find their place in this world. Goodluck, keep grounded and follow your heart :)

I had some "deal with shock and trauma" type tapes on my site last year.  They never sold, even though I found them quite helpful. Perhaps  I should put them back up.

Some folks at the NYC conference said they had seen shrinks also.

I really, really hope they put the talks on the net. I discussed the reason why this is depressing in a way unlike any other topic. I think it has a lot to do with how our brains got wired over the last few million years.

Best,

Matt

PG,

I'm always fascinated and entertained by the way in which one's profession/education shapes their thinking.

Note that you are an academic. Note that up top you mentioned something about "aggregating thought", which sounds like a very academic type thing.

Note that while I am not practicing, I did spent 3 years in law school, got my bar card, plus 1 year temping and doing odd jobs. Note that I've taken a decidely more mercenary position at this point.

From a standpoint of inclusive fitness, I think it better you stay where you are currently. If you were to join the Jay Hanson brigade it might interfere with your ability to exploit this for your own benefit in your current environment (the academy).

Put it another way: let's say I have a relative who is a physics professor. He is both comfortable and successful in the professorial niche.  If he joins the "middle of the road" brigade he may be able to use this information to get more research grants, author a book that is acceptable to his academic circles, etc. IE, exploit it for his own benefit.

On the other hand, if he joins the Jay Hanson brigade, exploiting it for his own benefit in his niche would be next to impossible. So far as I know, I'm the only person in the brigade who has managed to exploit it. (I'm not sure exactly where Heinberg stands on Jay's writings)

Hope that makes sense. It's the reason I told my sister (a high school english teacher with a masters) not to read anything other than Leeb's most recent book except perhaps the Rainwater/Fortune piece with yours truly's handsome picture in it. Read it and use it to plan your finances but DO NOT and I repeat DO NOT read anything beyond that I told her. In so far as I can tell, there is no benefit to her from understanding beyond that point.

Best,

Matt