Interesting. My memories of 1978 include learning the metric system as a standard part of American education (see how that failed? - no one in America uses the metric system), being taught that conservation was a social necessity, not merely a private virtue (man, was I misled - disposable everything was the wave of the American future), and in 1978, the idea that the American government had been massively involved in domestic surveillance and law breaking was a horrible sign of government gone wrong, not the necessity that seemingly so many support today.

Boy, I still regret actually believing in all that stuff, since it has made my life so miserable compared to so many other people who I went to school with, who have houses/mortgages, cars/payments, and so much nice shiny new stuff/nice credit card balances.

The only problem, it wasn't belief, it was the truth.

I will agree on one thing - the late 70s was not a very hopeful time. Luckily, the Alaskan oil pipeline kicked in, Reagan got elected, and since then, everything is just peachy. More people own more stuff with more debt than ever before in American history, and I still can't see how anyone can find fault with that proof that the American Dream didn't become turn into the American Nightmare that people in the late 70s foresaw - you know, a future where corporations would plunder everything they could unless stopped by the will of the people, a future where environmental degradation becomes so commonplace that no one even cares, a world where a government for the people, by the people is one with no respect for any law which would restrain those with power from simply engaging in whatever military or punitive action they see fit, from invading a country to torturing prisoners.

Sometimes, I think not joining the Young Republicans was my biggest career mistake, ca. 1980.

And think about this - instead of living in the country which is the envy of the entire world in its own eyes, I live in Germany, with its dreadful old tired European disadvantages, like free health care for my children, 6 weeks vacation, and a functioning public transportation system. Hell, Germany still hasn't even become post-industrial, to show how far it lags behind America.

All jesting (not really jesting, but not mockery either) aside, we all make choices, and the future is unknown. If you had gone into the oil industry, you would have done great for a while, and then it would have collapsed, and then today, you would be looking at a great future again.

I think the one thing that is true about much of this debate is that human beings still really have a very short term scale when looking at time or complex systems. I make no predictions about the next 10 or 20 years, in the sense of saying what life will be like for my children (colder or warmer? wetter or drier? plant in April, plant in June?). On the other hand, America does seem to look a lot like the society which some people in the late 1970s tried to oppose - filled with crassly selfish materialistic consumers, with no concern about future consequences of their current actions, a place riven by huge disparities in wealth/power, and one seemingly incapable (note the 'seemingly') of actually changing itself. For the more paranoid vision, a society now more capable of making sure it will not be changed by those outside of the current power structure, since it seems as if effectively all that late 70s legislation intended to stop the government from misusing its vast power is either swept away in various PATRIOT measures or ignored with impunity.

Oh, and since so many seem to feel that a classification is necessary - I am just a believer that oil/coal/natural gas are finite resources, and that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. From there, the science and engineering is very hard, but as we are all participating in this first truly global scale real time experiment in climate alteration, the results should be clear enough in the next few centuries - and we won't be the ones paying any bills which come due anyways. Well, that is the consensus from ca. 2000, right? Strange how some of the trends don't seem to be following that comforting majority belief - maybe the idea that that awful future will happen after we are all dead will seem as delusional as the late 70s belief that America was heading for a vast fall if it didn't learn how to live within its means?

Yes, it is the trends that are important to watch. Trouble is, the 'cornucopian' sees different trends than the 'doomer.' The real cornucopian sees virtually everything getting continually better and cites statistics to 'prove' this. You know, like fewer people dying in wars, higher caloric intake on average for world population. Higher per-capita income, etc. etc. It is frustrating, but seems ever thus, that at least the extremes merely talk past each other with little substantive said or understood.
Might be a fun exercise in taxonomy, but tends to obscure the need for serious study of issues in such a way that, even if a hard-core minority cling to a point of view (e.g. global-warming isn't happening or has nothing to do with humans) the scientific data and consensus becomes overwhelming in forming a more 'realistic' point of view.

expat,

The opening of the post was to do no more than give a little background of how I came to where I am today...it was the rest of the post that I was most interested in developing my thinking on, to help me explain to myself why discussion and communication on the energy depletion issue is more than just an "eccentric hobby".

The 1970's, and my own complete misread of what would follow in the 1980's and 1990's taught me a few major lessons though...

(a) timing matters-if you are right too early or too late, it is equal to bing wrong.  Even a stopped watch is right twice a day, and if you predict either good news or bad, sooner or later, you'll bump into both.

(b) It is good to be prepared for bad times should they occur.
     It is also good to be prepared for good times should they occur.

Roger Conner  known to you as ThatsItImout