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Leanan on June 8, 2006 - 8:49am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
What I found interesting is that this seems to be a pretty mainstream, industry-oriented newsletter.  Yet they accept peak oil.

Reading their other peak oil stories, I get the feeling that Matthew Simmons and Richard Rainwater have convinced a lot of people who would brush off Kunstler and Heinberg as leftwing nuts and who wouldn't understand a word Deffeyes was saying.  Corporate America respects people who make money. For that reason, Simmons and Rainwater have cred with them.

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Jussi on June 8, 2006 - 8:59am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I totally agree, I myself have managed to convince some people that PO is not so far away in the future by referring to Simmons and other business-minded people. OTOH, I would hardly go so far as to describe Kunstler as a leftist; he generally seems to support American wars in the Middle East. While he does say the war against Iraq might not have been necessary if it weren´t for the American addiction to oil (which even GW acknowledges), recently he appeared to have bought into the pro-war propaganda according to which Iran must be attacked lest it destroy Israel and, possibly, many other countries with its imaginary nuclear weapons...
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Johnny Peak Oil on June 8, 2006 - 12:07pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
There is no left in this country, just different shades of red.  
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tedman on June 8, 2006 - 12:22pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Yep...shades of liberalism of the oldy modly classical sort.  No real labor or socialist political power at all in USA.  

There are a number true blue lefties out there among the higher-ed set, some fringe journalists (e.g., Andrew Cockburn)...but I wouldn't say they have much political power.  Certainly no real lefties that I know of in the USA PO community.  Would be happy to be proven wrong though....

Though, there are plenty of autocrats, plutocrats, oligarchs of various stripes IMO.

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fleam on June 8, 2006 - 9:51pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
There's no Proud Working Class in the US, no mass of people who are proud of being able to turn a wrench or sweat a pipe - everyone wants to be middle class. This is freakishly strange but the Repubs have stepped into the breach and are seen by the rank and file as the working man's party much more than the Dems are - perhaps it's some harkening back to to Lincoln splitting logs or something.

Kerry and that wife-thing tossing ears of corn, fearfully, at the prole horde and retreating to one of their manses doesn't help the image - Gore's an elitist too but the Dems could have won with him. Heck I may have even voted for him, and my help or not, it would have been a landslide. Now in 08 the Dems are going to run Hitlery, and lose spectacularly. I keep it no secret that I'm a registered Repub but it's still no fun to step into a boxing ring with some milquetoast who's stuffed on finger sandwiches and three sheets to the wind on moet et chandon. There's no fight. It's no victory when the other side is so lame.

We'll never have a 1930s style working-man's Dem party again, but if we did, I'd switch in a second. These types of people's leftism, or leftish populism, are probably why European countries are better for the average Joe to live in.

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Richard on June 8, 2006 - 10:11pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Fleam,

Do you know Godwin's Law?

You may want to have a look.

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fleam on June 8, 2006 - 10:47pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
That Party wasn't Left, they were Right, very Right. That's how they got the support of the big industrialists etc - they were the counter to the radical USSR types that were running around in the 1930s.

Obviously if I say I'd seriously consider voting for Gore I'm not talking about advocating the kind of left party that puts on brown shirts and marches in the streets. I like the kind that's about Joe Lunch Pail getting a job, not a dagger and some shiny boots.

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Richard on June 8, 2006 - 11:51pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Fleam

Actually, I was referring to this piece of your post

Now in 08 the Dems are going to run Hitlery, and lose spectacularly.
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fleam on June 9, 2006 - 12:14am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Oh, that - that's a lot of people's pet name for Hillary. Heck they were telling a joke making fun of W and Mrs Bush and it had Hillary in it, and even they said Hitlery I'd swear.
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fleam on June 9, 2006 - 12:15am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
(Joke was on Air America Radio, ostensibly Left)
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Richard on June 9, 2006 - 12:58am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Fluim,

Do you think it is ok to compare people to Nazi's? Even if it is just for fun?

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AlanfromBigEasy on June 9, 2006 - 8:18am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I called the Blackwater security in New Orleans "Little Nazis" and I think it is an acceptable and accurate use of the term.
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fallout on June 9, 2006 - 9:29am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and acts like a duck.....
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Substrate on June 9, 2006 - 10:08pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
"It's no victory when the other side is so lame."

It's no victory when both sides are so lame.

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fallout on June 8, 2006 - 12:18pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
'Supply Chain Digest' core readership is heavily supply-side oriented (JIT, sourcing, distribution, etc), hence they view the world correctly as it actually is, i.e. resource-finite, rather than as others even within the same building (i.e. sales) would see it, i.e. all things possible, under the right economic conditions.
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Leanan on June 8, 2006 - 12:37pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Thanks for the info.  I hadn't thought of it that way.  
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