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BrianT on July 22, 2006 - 3:39pm

This is off topic, but I just listened to the 3rd hour of the Financial Sense broadcast. Puplava was detailing the proposed Amero currency which will replace the US dollar when Mexico, the US and Canada are joined in an arrangement similar to the European Union. Supposedly this is being worked on outside of the legislatures of any of the countries. The eventual plan (possibly by as early as 2010) would be for citizens of any of these countries to be able to work and live anywhere within the union. This does explain the lack of interest in preventing the illegal immigration from Mexico. Should this play out, the implications are pretty staggering for anyone currently in the American middle class, along with the likely negative implications for governmental responses to post-peak conditions. Anyway, I thought it was very interesting so you might like it.

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southpaw on July 22, 2006 - 5:21pm

Brian T,

Thanks for posting this story. I became aware of this situation about a year and half ago and have since read everything I could get hands on to understand this plan. For decades now, the MNCs have been working behind the scenes with their political and media lap dogs to implement this far reaching agenda.

A North American Union and borderless continent would make implementation of a sustainable free-market system unlikely given the weakening effect this would have on the ability of citizens to adopt practical solutions in their own communities and own states. This is due to continental regulations and laws decided by the "council" that are expected to overrule any and all local laws and regulations.

The likelihood of balkanization of cultures will also make the job of getting a continental consensus of the electorate virtually impossible.

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Nate Hagens on July 22, 2006 - 5:23pm

BrianT - Im thinking that Amero currency is a red herring to distract from real objective of legitimizing US access to Canadas natural resources instead of Canada selling them to China.

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Nagorak on July 22, 2006 - 8:40pm

What is this, some sort of conspiracy theory? Something is being worked on "outside the legislatures of any of the countries"? So, basically why even worry about it? All kinds of crap is being worked on by private parties and most of it won't come to anything. Seriously, if the Illuminati were controlling everything from the shadows, I dare say things would not run as badly as they do. We probably wouldn't be running headlong into an energy crisis with no plan or awareness of it whatsoever. No one would want to combine Mexico and the US into one country because it would result in complete societal collapse. The US economy couldn't support all the workers from Mexico and we'd have a little problem with not all speaking the same language. Even the rich don't benefit from a country in anarchy. It costs a lot of money to have to hire your own private army. As conspiracy theories go this is about as far fetched as they come.

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southpaw on July 22, 2006 - 11:00pm

Don't be so dismissive of a new paradigm. Just think about how many Americans have been bamboozled into thinking Peak Oil is just a "conspiracy" of either oil companies or environmental extremists. Ask yourself why something so important as Peak Oil would be virtually ignored by the mainstream media and not addressed in a meaningful way by any past or present POTUS or the U.S. Congress.

It is not only possible the power elite are trying to eliminate our borders, it is in the works right now. The principle backers are the members of the Council on Foreign Relations, of which most high ranking politicians are members of or affiliated with. This goal is supported by both the neoconservatives and neoliberals.

Get informed. Start by reading several books on the history, process, and goals of globalization. I must have read 40 books and hundreds of analyses by political scientists and historians to understand what was happening and why.

Although not a scholarly text, I found Crossing the Rubicon very illuminating in its probing of the corruption and scheming that goes on regularly by high ranking pols and CFR members. Rubicon's author, Michael Ruppert, may seem to jump to conclusions but his work as an investigative journalist is topnotch. Historian Kevin Phillip's new book American Theocracy is also good primer on the hubris of our political elite and how their reckless behavior has made peak oil a much more dangerous proposition for us all.

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tstreet on July 23, 2006 - 9:16am

We have a de facto open border policy now with the biggest supporters being the corporatocracy led by none other than G.W. Bush. It is quite obvious that if you crack down on business hiring of illegal immigrants then you effectively close down the borders. So, we don't need a conspiracy theory to see what is clearly out in the open for all to see.

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BrianT on July 22, 2006 - 11:10pm

Nagorak: 1. No mention of Illuminati on the program 2. There would still be 3 distinct countries sharing a common currency and security perimeter. Goods and people/employees would flow without restrictions through this zone 3. The persons proposing this arrangement do not foresee anarchy, just lower wages and a more efficient business environment 4. The big highway discussed on TOD is part of the plan.

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beggar on July 23, 2006 - 1:10am

The WTO and World Bank have effectively operated as non-democratic international institutions for many years now.

The WTO is pretty well know for over-riding local democratic governmental regulations and such, is it not?

And plans for significantly altering the relationships between the three NA countries have been in the works for some time as well, I believe, and supported by WTO.

This CFR document on "Creating a North American Community" might be a place to start investigating.

http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=7912

Sorry to continue the off-topic tanget -- this might be a good topic for a seperate post or to take to Drumbeat.

And now, back to Siberia!

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Darwinian on July 22, 2006 - 10:02pm

Bryan, when starting a completely new thread, you should not do it by clicking on Reply to a totally unrelated thread. After all, your post has nothing to do with that post and is not a "reply" to it at all. You should go to the top and click on Post a Comment.

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BrianT on July 22, 2006 - 11:02pm

I didn't mean to confuse you. Sorry.

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