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235 comments on DrumBeat: July 27, 2006

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Glenn on July 27, 2006 - 8:43am Permalink | Subthread | Comments top
Just a thought for today. What national organizations have actually recognized peak oil, but aren't really talking about it. I know Sierra Club here is well aware, so are most of the environmental folks. But it's not something you see in their pitches to people because they don't want to freak them out, but PO does not always fit into a pure environmental story, since Nuclear and Coal become pretty attractive unless you tie together global warming and ecosystem destruction....

What organizations do people know are at least aware of peak oil?

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odograph on July 27, 2006 - 9:07am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I know it has been discussed at gristmill from time to time.  They might be a little skeptical, but they had jumped to one core question: whether it would mean a reduction in greenhouse gases or a greater shift to coal and more/worse emissions.
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MikeCapone on July 27, 2006 - 12:44pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
It's mentioned on Treehugger from time to time too.
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Glenn on July 27, 2006 - 2:43pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
That's my point. The people who talk about PO don't have other pet issues that it might get in the way of.

For pro-environmentalists / democrats, PO means having to think long and hard about nukes and coal as alternatives to oil. But they have spent the last 40 years opposing both very strongly.

For pro-business republicans, they have been talking about technology and freemarkets for even longer. Moreover the oil and car industries underwrite much of the political lobby and advertising space (ala Westexas's Iron Triangle).

This is why (IMHO) despite a high level awareness generated out there, no one with a vested interest is really talking about PO.

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fleam on July 27, 2006 - 4:07pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
This is pure "3 Days Of The Condor" stuff.

When people are hungry and cold, they're not going to ask where their energy is coming from or how or why....... No, toto(neila), humans are not smarter than yeast.

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AngryChimp on July 28, 2006 - 8:34am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
"This is pure "3 Days Of The Condor" stuff."

For added drama...

http://tinyurl.com/letyk

=AC

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Anna on July 30, 2006 - 1:57am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
(youtube link)
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Marco on July 27, 2006 - 9:28am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I think the list would be a lot shorter if it included who didn't know about and wasn't talking about it!!
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Magnus Redin on July 27, 2006 - 11:08am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

but PO does not always fit into a pure environmental story, since Nuclear and Coal become pretty attractive unless you tie together global warming and ecosystem destruction....

Unless??? Completing that would logically lead to a hundred mile march in support of More Breeder Reactors Now!

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MikeCapone on July 27, 2006 - 12:46pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
..or better, wind/solar/wave/geothermal + efficiency/conservation.
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Glenn on July 27, 2006 - 2:36pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Right, this is more the angle that I was going for. PO + GW = Conservation + Efficiency + Renewables and probably some nukes, LNG, etc.

One of my fears is that if we wait too long, we will burn through the rest of the coal left in the ground really quickly, superheat the atmosphere and be no closer to sustainability.

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fleam on July 27, 2006 - 4:11pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
peakguy I think you are right, that's what we'll do. Why? Because that's the path that requires the least real thought and planning, it's the plan that's the most yeastlike.
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oilmanbob on July 27, 2006 - 4:49pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
fleam, the path that is most yeast-like is to produce alcohol until it kills you. I kind of think ethanol fits the description!
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