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DelusionaL on August 21, 2006 - 1:26am Permalink | Subthread | Comments top
Thank you for all the work you have done Heading Out et al.
Clear and concise!  Who can't understand this.

The implications!!!. An example; I was (for business reasons) in Sun Valley Idaho early this year.  Driving in I noticed there are no trees(enough?) to heat with, it gets very cold in winter, and thousands of people!  I looked very hard to find old homesteads - they were few and far between located in small valleys maybe 10 -12 miles apart, near water.  I assume they raised cattle.  There is no way this area is sustainable with out the rich folks(not me, I was working) who go there.  Without oil/gas/electricity this is no-mans-land- in winter at least for this kind of population.  I bet we can replay this situation over and over again accross the US.  

To many of those here on TOD who think that we can return to a simpler life style I have a few words of caution.  Where I live in western oregon the really choice raw materials are gone.  Specifically old growth western red cedar.  What is the big deal?  Old growth cedar made shingles for houses all over the US. Locals used them for fence posts because of thier rot resistance.  I use a piece to prop up my laptop- to allow the fan more room to move air. It is 5/8's of an inch thick has 28 yearly growth rings.  You will never, ever find this stuff (alive)except in protected forests.  We hord it like gold and use it for kindling of all things.  The blocks that I can find are too short to do much with.  The hundreds of years it took to grow this stuff will not be repeated with the current humans present.  Yes it's just a tree but if we don't have asphalt for shingles, or steel for roofing then what are we going to cover our houses with?  Dried grass?  I suppose if we don't use it for motor fuel...:(
The implications of PO are truely mind blowing.
We might well reach total peak rescouces, not just oil.

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Kevembuangga on August 21, 2006 - 4:35am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Show off you nasty doomer!
You're giving TOD a bad name.
Your posting rights should be repealed.

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DelusionaL on August 22, 2006 - 8:30am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
"nasty doomer"?

Hmmm...

I think that there have been a few oil proffesionals that have been just as blunt.  Jeffee's I believe was quoted in the local paper "war, famine, pestilence, and death".  and you are pissed about resorts and shingles?

My gut feeling is that the people who post here in the oil industry are all too aware of the implications of PO as we move forward.  It is not an "uplifting" conversation which is why the politicians really have thier hands tied in trying to fix it, is because of people like you.  Oil is everywhere you just don't see it.  If you dare, look around you and ask yourself this question "how does oil enter into what I'm looking at right now?." Paint-shingles-electricity-food-clothes-irrigation, etc. Move to the next question - "What will replace it?." When it starts to look ugly don't look away because whether you or I like it doesn't really matter.  This kind of conversation will
become more common in the future.  I guess I get to drag you by the ear to take a look from my limited obsevations.

The "worlds first oil shortage". 2 weeks ago I drove to a newly restored lighthouse at cape foul weather and took a tour.  It was built in the late 1800's during the "worlds first oil shortage" - whale oil, we humans had hunted the whales to near extinction so there was a shortage of whale oil to light the lamps.  They used "pig oil" for 12 years rendered from pig fat.  Then they found a new oil called "kerosene"  which they used until the 50's when they switched to electric lamps.  Which they still use today. The point being- whales like oil are not unlimited.

Electricity in Oregon is from: 42%coal, 7%nat gas, 3% nuclear, <5% bio-gas/wind, and the balance hydro, according the "The Oregonian". My clean-fish killing-hydro myth was busted.  So lets replace fuel cars with battery ones and plug in...to more fossil fuel!  How many enviromentalists think plug in cars are the answer?  Quite a few I bet.

The future has to be very diferent than it is today.  I tried to point out some obsevations that are to me relative to what we face in an oil limited world.  Is it about wells and extraction rates- no.  But I think that we need to come to grips with how pervasive oil is in our society, so that we realize just what we are up against.  I believe that the oil professionals here understand it very well and let us draw the conclusions and get called names.;-)

Unlike the post below you offer no(0)solutions.  Perhaps you should think of some and reply.  Spare me the "nasty doomer" unless you have good suggestions that are not so full of holes that a sieve looks like a good way to carry water.  I would love that debate....your turn.

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Kevembuangga on August 22, 2006 - 8:52am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Spare me the "nasty doomer"

Sorry you did not get the sarcasm, may be you never read my comments because I am "banned"?
What about heat pumps?

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DelusionaL on August 22, 2006 - 11:08pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Sorry no I haven't read your comment's. I get a bit edgy so and I missed it completely.  I like heat pumps (ground loop?)-pretty much anything to conserve.  Which is where we need to head as fast as possible IMHO.
Best, ( will look up comments later)  
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airdale on August 21, 2006 - 10:20am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Western Red Cedar. This is what I built my loghouse(3200 sq. ft. ) with back in 1989. I can attest to its great qualities.

Light, low moisture, no haven for insects, high resistance to warp and rot. Looks very good too. Not splotchy like pine.

For those who might be interested I am going to sell my log house and 20 acres that go with it. It has a full poured concrete basement. A very good deep well that will never go dry. Extremely good soil and near 5 major rivers plus close to two of the biggest manmade lakes in the USA.

Deer have to be shooed out of your way. Turkeys are plentiful as well as squirrels. Much fish in the rivers.

For someone looking for a place to ride out the upcoming events this appears to be the best part of the US to do it in. Water,wildlife,forests,live springs and so on. I live 4 miles from the Mississippi and Ohio rivers. Once there were enormous numbers of native american indians living on these lands and in the bottoms nearby as well as mound builders all around the area.

Reason: Divorce but I intend to stay on part of the land in another residence in another tract I have surveyed off.

The loghouse sports a geothermal heatpump and has a Buck stove in the great room that I have heated the whole house with. There are some woods as part of the acreage.

Apologies if this sounds like spam. If so you have my permission to delete it.

airdale

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BoatBob on August 21, 2006 - 9:48pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Airdale, I may be interested in your property. You can e-mail me at rhmaynejr@hotmail.com Thanks....Bob
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PeakEngineer on August 21, 2006 - 4:33pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
What makes you think we need shingles?  A green roof (or a cave!) would provide more than adequate rain protection.  Your personal survival depends on your own ingenuity and resourcefulness -- don't assume nothing post-peak will work, just figure out what will!
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