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k Nation (Jim Kunstler)
What crystal ball does he have that allows him entree into the psyches of "doomers"?
His arguments are all ad hominem, which makes them not arguments at all.
Such psychoanalysis is the art of applying motives to other persons in such a way as to flatter one's own preconceptions.
Huh? Isn't that exactly what you just did?
His post also attracted some intelligent comments though, which are worth reading. Matt Savinar appreciates the psychology issue, anyway. The notable exception is the "kill the engineers!" comment made by one of the lunatics who post on TOD.
Let's face it though, males are pretty much superfluous. The only reason we exist is so that females can exchange DNA.
To hell with "higher purposes!"
I have some family who feel this way. Guys who think their purpose is bringing home the check, and then basically staying out of the way. They've given up on having a life themselves. Very sad.
I suppose you were joking, but 'many a truth is told in jest'..
Step Back mentioned how emotion and irrationality have to be tackled before we can even start making really sensible choices about securing our future, and the above is a fine example. Boys get taught that their highest value for their society will be their willingness to kill other men, or die trying.. a very old, very irrational message that sells lots of plastic (and Metal) toys.
Being very serious,
Bob
(Beloved Dad, Great Husband, Brother, Son, Friend to all mankind.. quite popular with the Puppies and wee Kittens, too.)
I have always been inclined towards being a generalist, but that hasn't had a positive affect on my career trajectory. And if I'm honest with myself, I have to admit that while I know a little about a lot of things, I don't know much about anything.
The bottom line is that being a generalist doesn't pay well. Ask the small farmer -- if you can still find one, that is. I guarantee you that he/she has more of the sort of knowledge that Hopkins is talking about than most of us, but if that sort of knowledge was really useful in our present society, family farmers wouldn't be working two or three jobs to keep the bank from foreclosing on them.
Rob's point is that a whole generation of young men has been conditioned by that pressure; and when they contemplate "peak oil," they respond with doomerism.
I don't think that Rob is judging so much as observing.
I tend to agree with him. I'm in the older generation (56), and don't feel freaked out by the prospect of peak oil. We will manage. Manual labor and household skills are satisfying in a way that desk jobs aren't. One doesn't need consumer crap and cheap flights to Europe to have a happy, satisfying life.
The good news for men is that we will again be valued for characteristically male skills: moving heavy objects, fixing machines, opening stuck jar lids.
Well I'm going to disagree vehemently with his theory (but not diss him as a person because it is the theory we are talking about and not its proponent).
There are major differences between the way women think and the way men cognate. If you are not aware of that yet then you are probably from Venus or Mars rather than from Planet Earth.
The life experience of most women is that if there is a "technical" geeky problem, some man will come around and fix it. No need to waste cognitive energy worrying about that kind of stuff.
On the other hand, for a geek oriented male (not an AMPOD) the inability to fix the next tech problem means you won't have a chance in hell (as if you ever had one) to mate with the alpha female and pass you genetic code onto the next generation of nerds. Thus it is doom. It is the ultimate catastrophe.
I do feel a number of regrets, though. Specializing for success in the last half century has meant taking on more and more sedentary, cerebral jobs. This has left guys like me in our mid 50's with too much lifespan left to avoid feeling the effects, but not enough physical capacity left to continue succeeding in the brave new world. If I was only 20 years younger...
The other regret is that I may not be able to continue caring for my family as effectively as I have, once the requirements begin to change. I think for many men this is a very disturbing realization.
Like Rob I've wondered why there are so few women in the Peak Oil community. It could be that since men are inherently problem-solvers, we tend to be more interested than women in seeking out and understanding problems. The women I've told about the problem all get it right away, but they tend not to obsess about it. Their reactions vary from "We'll muddle through," to "Don't talk to me about problems, talk to me about solutions," to "This might not be such a bad thing, you know!"
I think on the whole women tend to be more connected to the world around them, and suffer less from mind/body, man/nature dualisms than men do. Next time I'm coming back as a woman.
Yes, but Rob's theory is specific to MEN. He conveniently ignores the fact women are just as useless as men these days.
Doubt many of them would be attracted by our views, though ;)
I don't think it's as much of an issue for women. Even in these "liberated" times, females get the message that their place is to be decorative, not necessarily useful. "The average woman would rather be pretty than smart, because the average man can see better than he can think."
Men are the ones who are supposed to take care of their families, be the provider, etc.
Yes ... if we continue to accept current culture.
But if there is no oil,
If there is no way to care & provide,
Then you may see an epidemic of men going crazy,
Doing who knows what to those around them.
And then being "Pretty like Paris" (Hilton) instead of smart and swift may not be adaptive in a Darwinian sense.
But don't worry.
We'll "muddle through" that part also when we get to it. :-)
The women I've known to be concerned about peak oil don't get obsessed with it (especially not with the numbers and graphs). Instead they tend to get involved with food, gardening and community.
If one re-defines Peak Oil to include food, gardening and community, then the mix of the sexes is much more even.
There's something to be said for both approaches.
He basically says that if you believe Peak Oil to be a catastrophe, it is because you are useless IT geek with no skills. On the other hand, if you are more optimistic like he is it's because you are more usefull.
Okay, lets apply our critical thinking skills here. (Critical thinking will still be important after Peak Oil, correct?) Here goes:
The fact that modern women are as useless sans petroleum as modern men are seems wholly lost on him. His theory, that men are doomers b/c they realize are useless sans pretorleum is bunk. If that was what is repsonsible for doomerism, you'd have just as many women show up at the PO doom-fests as men b/c modern women are just as useless as modern men.
But I guess we can't expect too much critical thinking or analysis from Rob. He's got sock knitting classes to attend, don't you know?
This is mostly Rob trying to insult and demean people who don't feel the same way he does. Basically a peak oil dick size contest is what he's trying to engage in here.
Personally I've responded to PO with doomerism b/c I follow the money. It's simple: trillions are being spent for oil and oil wars while billions are being spent to get away from oil and oil wars. You do the math.
If you're not freaked out by PO I suspect it's because your brain has simply wired itself to keep the real consequences compartmentalized. (It has to do this or you wouldn't be able to function.) If you were in Baghdad right now, would you not be a bit freaked out by the consequences of PO? Simialrly if you were in Bangladesh, would you not be a bit freaked out by PO's cousin, Climate Change?
The problem with Peak Oil is that it's not something that one can solve with arguments or intense reasoning. One can go around and around the same issues to no avail.
Sometimes it's good to set those things aside for awhile and enjoy the little things in life. My mother-in-law used to hear me talking for hours with my fiancee on the couch... trying to think things out, plan for this or that contingency.
"You think too much," was her sage advice.
Well, I still think too much and I'm just as obsessed with peak oil in my way as you are in yours. But I've learned from women friends and working people how to slow down and take things one at a time. Hopefully I'm not such a slave to the "thinking" mode as I once was.
There's something to be said for knitting socks, long hike, preparing food. They help put things into perspective.
Dmitry's presentation, which was originally made to the Petrocollapse conference in New York City last April is now online in document form:
http://energybulletin.net/23259.html
A similar phenomenon occurs among men in retirement. Those who had all their self-worth tied up in their job do poorly in retirement - the death rate is very high. Those men who found their self-worth elsewhere (knitting socks?) had the easiest transition.
For as long as women can have babies, they will never regard themselves as useless. That is the fundamental difference. I thought you understood this stuff. Guess I was wrong.
Anyhoo, it would be more entertaining for him to call somebody like Kunstler "useless" face-to-face in real life as Kunstler has the viciously sarcastic sense of humor and would verbally rip him several new ones large enough you could plant container gardens in them.
when you are part of an army
of angry men?
I grew up with homemade bread, but I didn't slice my own until I left home. Mainly because my mom is something of a control freak. Her kitchen is her castle. She didn't like her loaves sliced crooked, so she did the slicing for us.
To be fair, her whole wheat sourdough bread is extremely soft - crustless, even - so it's not easy to slice evenly.
In our culture, someone who gave a three-year-old a machete would probably be arrested for child abuse.
also the other day I was listening to an interview with a local doctor who now spends six months of the year with the pigmy in africa. he said that, according to custom, all decisions on tribal matters are voted on by members of the tribe whose hands had not touched blood. so the men who kill the beasts and the women who prepare it are left out. that leaves the youth. crazy
I love the flexibility myself, to slice off just what I need for the current application (toast, sandwich, ...)
Actually, no. If he can make the case that our expectations are in any way about us, about our internal mental state, then it is not ad hominem.
I think that is a pretty easy case to make.
This might be true, but as others have asked, who is sure they are not doing that?