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Good point. Everyone wants lots of "silver BBs." We often forget it takes some silver to make each one.
Your comment about silver BBs prompts me to repost this comment here. I was in a discussion on another board about electrical generation, and the relative merits of large base load approaches like nuclear with systems consisting of a lot of various small generating technologies. Basically cannon shells vs. silver BBs.
One factor I don't believe is getting enough consideration in these deliberations is system resilience. Taking that into account can change the acceptability of some solutions - if they decrease resilience significantly for marginal benefit, we may be better off not doing them. I now feel this way about tying in lots and lots of wind farms to the grid.
Agreed. I think that's part of what Greer was getting at with the sliderule thing.
System resilience is a tricky concept.
One thing I've seen over and over again is that there is a huge tradeoff between efficiency and resilience. For example, organizations (corporations, universities, other nonprofits, governments) often have big inefficiencies built in. Those are not necessarily a bad thing. In organization theory there is a concept called "organizational slack" which refers to inefficiency--which can be reduced during hard times.
I also see in the material world a tradeoff between "efficiency" and durability or resilience. Fast sailboats tend to come apart. You can fly a DC-2 with a half a ton of ice on its wings (unlike fast modern aircraft). Durable organizations and boats and airplanes can function fairly well even when there are a whole bunch of things wrong with them.
Rather than focus on "complexity" as Tainter does, I think we should be more wary of efficiency. The best and longest lasting organizations (think U.S. government or any university you care to name) have large amounts of inefficiency built in. The fat and durable sailboats I like will be passed by sleek fast catamarans . . . which then go on to capsize or come apart in strong winds. Give me a boat that can ride out a storm and keep floating even if the rigging breaks and the boat is swamped or knocked down. You can keep your hyperefficient racing machines--which break and sink and are dismasted with great regularity.
Thanks. I'd been thinking about the role of efficiency since I encountered the concept of adaptive loops a few weeks ago. The three-dimensional diagram of the adaptive loop that I first saw in Thomas Homer-Dixon's book "The Upside of Down" came from the work of Dr. Buzz Holling. It has as its axes Productivity, Connectedness and Resilience. It made intuitive sense to me that efficiency should be included, except I don't know how you could show nice printed pictures of a loop in four-dimensional space.
Here is how I've been thinking of the inverse relationship of efficiency and resilience.
Resilience implies that the system has the ability to redirect resources from elsewhere within the system to contain and heal the impact of a shock. Crucially, this reallocation must not affect the system's performance in such a way that the reallocation itself acts as a secondary system shock. If the resources are reallocated from a portion of the system that can't function without them, the act of reallocation may become the first event in a breakdown cascade.
One definition of an inefficient system is that system operations have more resources available to them than are actually needed to accomplish the tasks. In this case, redirection of resources away from a task will have less of an impact since it is more probable that the task's efficiency can be improved to accommodate the loss.
In a very efficient system, all resources are fully utilized. Any redirection of resources is done in a zero-sum context - the task from which the resources are taken can no longer function (or at least can't function as fully). As a result, very efficient systems are much more prone to cascades, as resources are sequentially redirected to try and cope with the breakdown caused by the previous reallocation.
It now seems to me that it would be helpful to consider adaptive loops with axes of Efficiency, Interconnectedness and Resilience. Of course the brains at the Resilience Alliance have probably already thought this through. It makes me less sanguine, though, when I consider just how efficient our socio-economic system is, and how little slack we have left to play with.
Here's one additional thought. I just realized that every time a system reallocates resources to deal with a problem, it loses further efficiency. That happens both because the resources being reallocated may not be optimal for their new use, and some additional losses will occur due to something analogous to friction or thermodynamic effects. Not all of the resources you take away from the donor task make it to the target, and those that do may not be quite what's needed. Both effects result in the need to take away more resources from donor tasks than are needed for the repairs.
In a very efficient (ergo low resilience) system this spells mucho trouble, as it increases the effective damage of each cascading shock.
I think Wal-Mart is finding that out.
That is a pretty broad statement to rest on such a thin reed.
EVERY time? really? Often when resources are allocated to deal with a problem (Hmmm, anti smoking adds and public smoking bans to combat smoking) the system gains efficiency. Often the problem is the inefficiency itself (how much farmland are we using so that people can die earlier and at great expense?), so allocating resources to deal with it does the exact opposite of what you are saying.
Same thing with complexity BTW. People talk a good game about systems having some inherent complexity limit, or some such. Pure bunk. As a general rule, complex systems tend to work better than simple ones, otherwise why would the complexity have been added at all? It's nice when a system can be both simple and good, but in my experience, it's a rarity. You can see this in science (General relativity bumps off Newtonian physics), computer science (quicksort bumps off bubble sort), mathematics (Complex analysis easily tackles problems that 100 pages of algebra would never solve), etc...
Such broad and sweeping statements (including my own, of course) help nobody.
It seems to me that in this discussion with D.S., you've adopted the notion of efficiency as employed by economics in its mechanistic analogue (mainstream). Resilience necessarily is inseparable from time, while efficiency, in the sense you are employing it, is with-out time, or time-less. If efficiency was a measure of the effect of work on the rate at which entropy rises, and a lower rate a sign of greater efficiency, then it would stand side by side with resilience and not in opposition to it.
I haven't read the work of the Resilience Alliance, though I have completed 'The Upside of Down'. I suspect the problem of definition in relation to time is one reason the word efficiency is not used in the adaptive loop.
I think I see what you're saying, though my first thought was that "connectedness" is also time-less. I also don't see that resilience must necessarily have a temporal component - is "ability to recover" not as good a definition of resilience as "ability to recover within a given time period"? I'll give the hamster a poke and see if he can spin my mental gears a bit faster on this.
If you think of an airplane or a boat as a system that encounters rough weather through time, I think it becomes clear that the time dimension actually amplifies the tradeoff between efficiency and resilience.
(I prefer the term "robust," to "resilient" but let us not quibble over words.)
There are parallels between efficient systems and Tainter's complex systems. I am defining efficiency as getting more useful work per unit of energy input. To use an example, a more efficient car engine is one which gets better gas mileage. For equal weight and power, more efficient engines are more complex. A hybrid is both more energy efficient in operation and more complex in design than a non-hybrid gasoline engine. The consequences in going up the efficiency and complexity curves are the same. They both follow the law of diminishing returns. They both require more specilization, information processing and control.
They have more things which can go wrong.
Note also that significant redundancy in the modern world comes from parallel systems set in competition. That is one reason why "complexity" in the US did not mean the same thing as "complexity" in Soviet central planning. Organization matters.
Don
I don't know your background, but you have said, here, one of the most insightful things I have read in a long time.
(maybe because I agree with it ;-)
The vast emphasis in business is on 'efficiency' and 'lean thinking'. There are merits to this *but*
my original discipline was military history. One of the iron laws of military activity is what you don't expect to go wrong, probably will. In no small part because you have an active, thinking opponent who constantly strives to identify your weaknesses, and exploit them.
(Iraq in 2003, Vietnam in 1965-69, Korea in 195-51, and the Market Garden landings at Arnhem in WWII (1944) are 4 easy examples of this truism. In each case, the US Army (or its British allies) was caught with its pants down by an opponent who responded quickly, and skilfully exploited the deficiencies of the American 'way of war')
Accordingly, military organisations exist with huge amounts of 'waste' and 'redundancy' that are only really tested under stress.
One of the problems with 'optimising' our peacetime military, and cutting the fat, is that the spare capacity that a unit has when the S-H-The-Fan is lost. The British military is the exemplar of this 'managerialist' tendency, over the last 30 years or so.
There is a reason why we have regiments that are 350 years old (although fast disappearing). Because the 'inefficiencies' of the regimental mess, the regimental staff, etc, give that organisation the capacity to be destroyed, and rebuilt, again and again.
By the same token, we have universities which are 1000 years old, which have made relatively little concessions to the 'modern' world. New College Oxford, the 'newer' college, was founded in 1341. Yet Oxford and Cambridge have had as many Nobel Prize winners as the top American universities.
Our National Health Service has a similar problem. We are making it more efficient, but that means we are having trouble dealing with 'superbugs' (because you need brute labour force to clean wards, and contractors don't do a good job relative to employed staff who believe in the mission of universal healthcare). And if we ever have another epidemic like the 1919 flu, we just don't have the coping mechanisms any more.
I see analogies to what happened to many businesses after 9-11: their entire production systems were predicated on 'just in time', yet the planes couldn't fly, and the containers were stopped at the border.
Similarly companies go through rounds of 'business process reegineering' and 'downsizing' and you see the long term deterioration in their market share and position and customer service.
Electricity is very special, and distinct from essentially all other major industrial goods because of the underlying physics.
Specifically:
* The electrical grid can transmit at nearly the speed of light.
* It is very costly to "store" inventory of electrical energy.
This makes the grid both physically possible, and essential. Natural gas is a little bit like this but to a lessser degree.
As such I think it is essential that the grid be maintained and made robust. When peak oil really hits, the grid is literally the only the between civilization and barbarism. I do not think that is an exaggeration.
It strikes me that a highly complex, highly interconnected solution can only reduce the system's resilience.
I disagree, in a way specific to electricity.
The problem with highly devolved power production and lack of large scale transmission is the much greater skilled labor needed to do it well. Power engineering is necessary and not for dummies---doing it wrong is very dangerous. With a grid and utility the number of people who Need to Know is proportional to the *logarithm* of the product produced, roughly. The problem is maintenance.
Does every building superintendent have the knowledge to run an efficient power generator with low cost and low emissions? Except for bone-head-simple PV solar, the answer's no. There's no way I would want all those hands tinkering on things.
I want people who spend their lives doing it for a living working on the power production and distribution.
The reality is that for most people a highly devolved (off-grid) power system is much less reliable, and requires much more maintenance and knowledge.
The current system is how it is for a good reason I believe.
With peak oil really starting to bite there will be a howl for A Fix Now!
I see two possibilities: (1) massive coal to liquids, and damn the environment, or (2) subsidized plug-in hybrids for everybody.
With the second, there's the potential that non-greenhouse sources might satisfy.
If we turn primary energy production back to coal, no matter what form, we're screwed.
We need to Keep The Grid Going no matter what.
The arguments for devolution seem more emotional---a return to the always mythical "simpler" "more local" times---than logical.
This kind of argument reminds me of how the priests of the mainframe computer room used to defend their turf:
The problem with highly devolved computation
power productionand lack of large scale centralized data transmission is the much greater skilled labor needed to do it well. ComputerPowerengineering is necessary and not for dummies---doing it wrong is very dangerous. ... The problem is maintenance.Does every building superintendent have the knowledge to run an efficient computer
power generatorwith low cost and low error rate?emissions?Except for bone-head-simple hobbyist micro-computers,PV solar,the answer's no. There's no way I would want all those hands tinkering on things.I want people who spend their lives doing it for a living working on computer data
powerproduction and distribution. :-)Although
in the case of wind farms, I think they could add to system resilience.
Because they diversify the fuel portfolio of the system. So losing your natural gas supply due to Russian politics or terrorist attack doesn't cut off *all* your fuel supply.