IP,

I am fascinated by the book review. Anything relating thermodynamics to social systems is a hook for me. But to give you a chance to recommend more enlightened alternatives I would be interested in your top ten recommended books.

Please forgive this physicist, but I like to use thermodynamics for what it really was invented for: to predict the properties of thermodynamic systems. It is really great for calculating ICE efficiency and the state of the interior of stars or transport of electrons in semiconductors, but it has absolutely nothing to say about how people behave... unless you can tell me what the free energy of a gas made of people at any given temperature is, of course... Or maybe you would prefer to define the Entropy of the inhabitants of Mexico City (hint: units are J/K)? And what happens to them when the temperature approaches 0K? Hint: the entropy of any system at the zero point of the absolute temperature scale is 0 - it's the third law. But what does that mean? That there is no more social conflict because everyone is frozen stiff and dead? And how comes the system is not reversible once you raise the temperature again to 300K? Dead people stay dead but thermodynamics would expect that the system resumes the same state it had before you cooled it down... that is not how a gas behaves... And anyway, what is the critical exponent of a phase transition, e.g. during a revolution? What is the relevant order parameter? Flying bullets/m^3?

Don't get me wrong, but there has been so much abuse of physical terms by people in other disciplines who did not even take the time to read a simple introductory textbook on the stuff they were abusing that the stack of paper would go from here to the moon and back. Much of what has been written sounds great but the intellectual value of it is less than just questionable. Most of it is pure rubbish.

If you want to learn something about thermodynamics and complexity, you will have to read Haken and Prigogine. And while these gentlemen only talk about lasers, boiling water/oil, surface waves and the likes, at least they derive equations of motion which are formally correct and predict things like laser threshold, mode locking and chaos that is in good agreement with experiments. The other books I would put on my reading list are:

Misner, Thorne, Wheeler: Gravitation.
Weinberg: Gravitation and Cosmology.
Jackson: Electromagnetics.
Kittel: Introduction to Solid State Physics.
Feynman: Lectures.
Landau-Lifshitz: all volumes.
Numerical Recipes in C (Fortran, if you really need to torture yourself).
Any book on Classical Thermodynamics and Statistical Mechanics (they all suck in my opinnion).

Further reading:
ANY book you see in the science section of the university library that you feel like reading.
Regular browsing of Phys. Rev., Phys. Rev. Letters and Rev. Mod. Phys. and any other journal you like.

Once you are done with this stuff, you too will laugh about any attempts to use physics terminology on anything but physics problems.

Now your a physicist , before an engineer, now a expert on aircraft crashes, then an expert on 1930's farming livestyles, and so on.

I still want to see those credentials that I asked for earlier. Not that I will believe them but at least you will be on record with SOMETHING concrete.

Ok. I get your lesson for today. If the temp goes to 0 kelvin then people freeze. Gotcha. I now know thermodynamics. Where is my sheepskin? Whats next on the agenda oh wise guru?

Heres something you can pass along. If you go out on the highway and all you can see is stalled cars and lots of hand waving you can bet that PO has arrived. It doesn't need a formula to figger out.

If you make it to WalMart and the greeter is not there and no flashing lights then you can also be assured that PO has arrived. Again no thermometers or calorimeters are required to measure the heat loss or gain of the dead bodies lying on the floor.

Its not rocket science. Its black sticky stuff in the ground and
when we can't pull it out anymore for whatever reason we are in trouble and yes,,,PO has arrived. For the engineerphyscistagronomistaircraftinspector , you just ran out of time. Your dead.

I am an experimental physicist who works as an engineer. That is so unusual that probably 80% of my fellow experimental physicists do the same. Or is it more like 90%?

I am not an aircraft expert but in my recollection the survivors of Flight 232 had an incredible amount of luck that the aircraft had lost almost all control BUT the engine power steering, that the pilot figured out that he could control the attitude of the aircraft BEFORE it went into an unrecoverable aerodynamic state and that the enormously talented crew managed to use whatever control they had left to land the plane in a somewhat controlled manner. As far as I know this kind of accident typically ends in a call for help and then a crash which takes the lives of all passengers and crew. But what does this accident which claimed the lives of 111 people have to do with ingenuity? And why does what follows in the contents of "The Ingenuity Gap" sound so much like a self-help book? I quote:

"How Are We Changing Our Relationship to the World?

* Careening Into the Future
* Our New World
* The Big I

Two: Do We Need More Ingenuity to Solve the Problems of the Future?

* Complexities
* An Angry Beast
* Glimpsing the Abyss
* Unknown Unknowns

Three: Can We Supply the Ingenuity We Need?

* Brains and Ingenuity
* Ingenuity and Wealth
* Techno-Hubris
* White-Hot Landscapes

Four: What Does the Ingenuity Gap Mean for Our Future?

* Vegas
* Patna"

Does that sound like a book I HAVE to read? Not to me... I am sorry.

"I still want to see those credentials that I asked for earlier. "

PhD in experimental particle physics. That is as much as I will give you. You can believe it or not. It does not matter to either me or reality because I don't have to lie about who I am. I also don't have to tell more. You can judge me by my writing. That is better than to judge me by a piece of paper from a university that sits in one of my folders at home and collects dust.

"Ok. I get your lesson for today. If the temp goes to 0 kelvin then people freeze. Gotcha. I now know thermodynamics. "

It looks like you didn't get it. The problem with applying thermodynamics to anything but thermodynamic systems (of which there are fewer than you think) is that you need something like physical temperature, pressure, magnetic field etc.. These have to be differentiable variables. Then you need a system that has a state that uniquely depends on some of these variables and which, again, is characterized by differentiable functions. In more theoretical terms, the system needs to have a description that is a locally differentiable manifold in a higher dimensional space. Thermodynamic properties are then derived from moving along this manifold, looking at differential forms and non-integrable variables (like entropy). To use terms from classical thermodynamics makes NO SENSE whatsoever if you are missing these ingredients.

"If you go out on the highway and all you can see is stalled cars and lots of hand waving you can bet that PO has arrived."

It does take formulas to figure out how to make engines with higher efficiency to avoid that situation. It does take formulas to build wind turbines and solar cells. Formulas are very helpful if you are trying to figure out how much energy we can use per person in a world with 10 billion people and limited GW. I am sorry, but there is nothing wrong with applying sound science to problem solving. It's actually quite fun.

"Its not rocket science. Its black sticky stuff in the ground and
when we can't pull it out anymore for whatever reason we are in trouble..."

Why do you need to jump to these conclusions? Why can't you say that

"Currently we depend on hydrocarbons too much and we know that we can't do that forever. We need to find other ways to power our cars and other infrastructure. The problem is to find those ways. It is not about running around like headless chickens."

What is wrong with that? Is it too hard to figure out? Is running around like a headless chicken easier? Does it look more attractive? Not in my world.

IP said:
"It looks like you didn't get it."

No it looks like YOU did't get it.

My whole post was a putdown. It was sarcasm. It was lampoon.

The reason I replied in that vein was that I was hoping you would become angry and just not reply to any posts I make in the future.

I really don't need the science lesson either.

Running around like poulet sans tete may be the only thing a scientifically illiterate and innumerate populace is equipped to do by itself.  Whether they'll take leadership from a cadre of engineers and physicists (who'll make them feel stupid even while trying to save their bacon) or some variety of demagogue (who'll play on their emotions) is the crucial question.

As a side comment about how lucky Flight 232 was - 'It turned out that one of the passengers on board flight 232 was Dennis Fitch, a United training and check pilot with over 3,000 hours on the DC-10.' Generally, passenger flights do not have expert pilots on hand as a back-up. http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-ua232.shtml

On the other hand, it is quite customary for the flight crew to ask for any help in an emergency, since when you are about to crash, any possibility to avert it is worth taking.

IP
You are misrepresenting Prigogine.
Prigogine who won the Nobel Prize in chemistry for his work on nonequilibrium cyclic chemical reactions and their bifurcations into new states is also noted for his "universal law of evolution" He had grand ideas connecting life to thermodynamics. You seem to be limited in understanding the possibilities in applying thermodyamic theory.