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tstreet on February 16, 2007 - 11:13am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

HeIsSoFly:

I will grant that Mathews has a rather hopelessly grim view of the future, but I think this particular post was completely germane to the topic you brought up. You announced that warming is a fact and there is nothing we can do about it. Mathews confirmed what you said and then wrote about some of the possible responses to this problem. He then merely set forth the not very novel idea that nature bats last.

And then you assert that Mathews is an idiot and an insane, drooling homeless person. That seems like an overreaction on your part.

I would suggest that if people don't agree with Mathews that they refute his statements or arguments directly or they ignore him. He is an extreme doomer, but then, there are and have been other doomers on this site.

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Cherenkov on February 16, 2007 - 11:45am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I like how certian viewpoints have been relegated to intellectual ghettos if they do not toe the happy, happy we-can-engineer-ourselves-out-of-anything cornucopians who dominate the site.

1939: Yes, he hates the NAZIs and accuses them of all sorts of atrocities, but he is a pessimist. I prefer to belief that the films of all those happy jews are true!

1956: Of course the Potemkin village is representative of Soviet society! Don't be so negative!

2000: Global warming? That just means we all get to be warm in the winter. No big deal. Besides, we got plenty of airconditioners. Don't be a party-pooper!

2007: Don't listen to them, they are "doomers." We got technology, dude!!

Yup, nothing like realism coated with a creamy, sweet coating of wishful thinking and techno-fantasy.

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enviro attny on February 16, 2007 - 12:36pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

He is an extreme doomer, but then, there are and have been other doomers on this site

He is worse than a doomer. A doomer is convinced that the coming situation is going to be very bad, and nothing can stop it. Dave is eagerly awaiting the coming bad situation, and is cheering it on. I bet he leaves his car running all night to try and speed up the end of the world.

Anybody that is happy at the thought of the death of billions of people is seriously messed up.

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MUDLOGGER on February 16, 2007 - 12:52pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

He is a Genophobe.

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dmathew1 on February 16, 2007 - 10:18pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Hello enviro attny,

He is worse than a doomer. A doomer is convinced that the coming situation is going to be very bad, and nothing can stop it. Dave is eagerly awaiting the coming bad situation, and is cheering it on. I bet he leaves his car running all night to try and speed up the end of the world.

Am I the one cheering on this situation?

Don't you imagine that the oil, auto & power corporations bear some responsibility for the consequences of their extremely profitable behavior?

I advocate humankind ceasing all of these activities which are destroying the Earth. If I wanted billions of humans to die, I would invest in the oil industry and trade oil futures. Profiting from the crimes and pollutions of the oil industry seems like a reprehensible, evil activity to me.

And, no, I do not leave my car running all night nor leave my lights on when not in the room nor use the air conditioner/heater except when absolutely necessary nor eat any more than enough to keep my body running.

I am not in favor of anyone dying, but I know that billions of humans are already fated to die because of the crimes against Nature committed by humankind.

Anybody that is happy at the thought of the death of billions of people is seriously messed up.

But what of those who seek to profit from the deaths of billions?

David Mathews
http://www.geocities.com/dmathew1

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thomas deplume on February 16, 2007 - 12:43pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

What astonishes me most about Matthews is his ability to type so fast. Kind of reminds me of when my daughters were toddlers. Very prolific at speaking many words per minute for hours on end but rarely saying anything profound.
Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and prove it. One of my wife's favorite sayings and who am I to disagree.

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dmathew1 on February 16, 2007 - 10:28pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Hello Thomas,

What astonishes me most about Matthews is his ability to type so fast. Kind of reminds me of when my daughters were toddlers. Very prolific at speaking many words per minute for hours on end but rarely saying anything profound.
Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and prove it. One of my wife's favorite sayings and who am I to disagree.

I say whatever is on my mind. I don't care whether the readers consider the statements profound or not.

The Oil Drum is not a forum devoted to profound thoughts. Those seeking profundity should visit websites devoted to philosophy or religion.

The Oil Drum is an oil industry website which is especially addicted to mathematical models, graphs and charts describing oil production statistics both historical and speculative. There is nothing especially profound in all of these charts and graphs. That's why the arguments here always follow essentially the same form and ultimately reach the same conclusion.

I have followed discussions on The Oil Drum for over a year and can say for certain that nothing whatsoever profound was ever expressed in these discussions. Fortunately for me, I visit a diverse group of websites in order to investigate Homo sapiens from every available angle of thought, word, and action.

When I need a profound thought, I seek out the Scriptures:

"Behold, my eye has seen all this, my ear has heard and understood it. What you know, I also know; I am not inferior to you.
"But I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire to argue with God.
"But you smear with lies; you are all worthless physicians.
"O that you would be completely silent, and that it would become your wisdom!"
(Proverbs 13:1-5)

David Mathews
http://www.geocities.com/dmathew1

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thomas deplume on February 17, 2007 - 10:45am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Your response confirms my point. You out worded me 5:1 and even unneccesarily repeated my comment while adding a Bible passage.
I have encountered many profound statements on the Drum such as very informative postings explaining the science and engineering aspects of our energy challenges. I found the Cubic Mile of Oil concept to be a profound image about the magnitude of oil use. Engineer-Poet's postings with all the mathematical backing he brings to his comments are very profound. The concept of Energy Return on Energy Invested is an extremely profound concept that must be taught to the body politic so good public policy can be realized. As for my comments, most of what I post are just the musings of a lunatic. At least that's what my psychiatrist says.

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ZPDM123 on February 17, 2007 - 4:19pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

To pick a nit, that's not Proverbs it is Book of Job

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