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sendoilplease on February 17, 2007 - 11:41am Permalink | Subthread | Comments top

Rising Price of Electricity Sets Off New Debate on Regulation

"People should not be in the position of choosing between keeping warm or buying medicine and food,

I bet Mother Nature got a good chuckle from that line. I think she reads this site while sitting up late at night sharpening her Nails and Teeth.

Our poor little politicians! Even in the smallest burgs the political parasites have nested. What will the poor politicians do as Homo Sap Twitches from oil and gas to electricity ????

"I remember the heating shortages following the collapse of the Soviet times. Back then the places where my parents worked had no heat. Now lots of people are buying electric heaters...

...I can't imagine coming home and having no heat, or hot food. The weather is freezing now. No gas means no life, especially in our winter. We will not survive."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4576370.stm

I wonder if the city dwellers with their fantasies of Extreme HomeTown MakeOvers - "green" cities - ever think beyond their childishly naive assumptions.

I wonder what kind of Currency Twitching we will see in the world over the next couple years as Russia cuts gas exports to Europe and the Euro turns back into a paper pumpkin along with the dollar?

Fast Times at Homo Sap High are coming to an end.

Time to grow up kidz. The Fire Drills are over and the Real Thing is upon us... this is not - I repeat NOT - an "academic" drill.

No place to run, no place to hide (no, not even in the ivory towers - sorry). Mama Nature is not on "our side."

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Hothgor on February 17, 2007 - 11:50am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

No gas = no life?

Yes, it's a miracle we ever managed to get out of the stone ages!

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sendoilplease on February 17, 2007 - 12:06pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Yes, some 'miracle."

It's a good thing we had thousands of years the people of those times had the knowledge and skills and open space and resources to survive... good thing there were no cities with multi-millions who were dependent on technology and fossil fuels...

I think "childishly naive" applies to your statement. Try questioning your assumptions - all of them. Including the value of the "currency" you currently still have CONfidence in.

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Hothgor on February 17, 2007 - 12:21pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Your argument might have better if we were all completely dependent on OIL for our survival. Oil is presently the cheapest way to power our lives, but with various breakthroughs in Solar technology, and real discussion of massive wind farms off our coasts, the entire relevance of OIL is called into question.

And what is wrong with having cities with millions of people in them? Isn't that EXACTLY what the wheelbarrow advocate want? The more condensed we are, the less ecological impact we have overall. And there you go about your anti-technology rant. Technology is not some human construct designed to put an end to our species. Even Chimpanzees have been found to have been using tools since at least 4500 BC.

You may have better luck coning other ignorant and depressed people, but your confidence on this matter is hardly going to sway any reasonable human being.

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sendoilplease on February 17, 2007 - 12:34pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Good luck with your godz of technology, science, markets and politicians. They make for good theater but they won't be able to pull a rabbit out of Ma Nature's Hat This TimezUP.

Question your assumptions hothgar. Look to history. Look to biology. Look at the current "geopoliTics" (not to mention the local poliTICs - they all wait in line for the one before them to make a decision... heads in the asses in front of them, just like a childs paper chain but this one made of foolz).

It's too late to avoid the Pain of Birth of whatever is coming next. Hopefully you survive to see the next equilibrium and your Optimism can be used to fuel our next form of civilization.

In the meantime, batten the hatches ;)

("ALL" is not lost, just the Delusion of eternal growth and a few billion excess bipedal carbon-based life forms with Big Brainz and Grand Delusions of themselves and their place in this Universe.)

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eric blair on February 18, 2007 - 2:59pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Your argument might have better if we were all completely dependent on OIL for our survival.

Lets see:
6 billion + people
Various economies based on oil production/consuption
Use of oil for making stuff and providing watts for food, heat, cooking.

Please show that you are not just blowing hot air and show how 6+ billion people can continue to function without OIL.

Now you were asked to clarify in the past.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2282#comment-160383
Is there a reason you are unwilling to actually respond to a question directly asked of you?

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TrueKaiser on February 17, 2007 - 3:35pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

umm you have to realize to the people in the article, compared to our early ancestor's have long since forgotten the knowledge they spent many generation compiling. mainly how to adapt to a region's climate using only the natural renewable resources available.
they do not know how to start a fire without matches or a lighter, how to keep it going and alive to a point where it would keep them warm but not eat up too much fuel. how to cloth themselves with hand made cloths out of the fur from the animals they eat. etc.

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stalkylittleboy on February 17, 2007 - 9:35pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

And, more importantly, there weren't 6.6E9 of those people, either.

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