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Freddy on February 18, 2007 - 1:29am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Actually Hothgar, over that period we are presently in an upward spike anomoly of a long term cooling era. Ignore the noise. None of the blowhards has read any of the IPCC Reports.

Q - What does it tell ya when u hear that 98% of scientists blame weather events on GW?

A - Only 2% of scientists are climatologists!

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toilforoil on February 18, 2007 - 2:15am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Take a good look, Hothgor. It really is feces floating on the pond surface.

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Freddy on February 18, 2007 - 3:54am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

toilforoil was discovering the thrills of self gratification in his mom's bathroom when i first studied the phenom of GW.

I have over 200 posts on Climate Change at TOD and i'm confident that not one is in conflict with the findings of the four IPCC Reports. The presentations below illustrate that Earth has been cooling for almost 10,000 years. Within the last millenium this trend has only been disturbed by the Medieval Warm Period and the current GHG-inspired anomalies:

The truly sad thing is that yet another excellent thread is hijacked by the lunatic fringe. Why are we discussing Climate Change? It is because their agenda does not include Peak Oil ...

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dmathew1 on February 18, 2007 - 1:53pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Hello Everyone,

Toilforoil does his cause no favor by saying:

Take a good look, Hothgor. It really is feces floating on the pond surface.

Freddy returns the favor and denigrates his own viewpoints by saying:

toilforoil was discovering the thrills of self gratification in his mom's bathroom when i first studied the phenom of GW.

Needless to say (if only it were needless, but alas -- it is not), both parties to the argument have destroyed the usefulness of their comments by speaking in the above fashion.

Undoubtedly, there is a calm & rational manner for people to argue about Global Warming even when their viewpoints contradict. Why is this so difficult?

Emotional outbursts and trading of insults does not serve any intellectual purpose at all, it is strictly a form of appealing to (vile) emotions over reason.

There is already enough stress in this world, toilforoil and Freddy ought to discuss this disagreement with respect and civility.

David Mathews
http://www.geocities.com/dmathew1

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toilforoil on February 18, 2007 - 11:28pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Actually, David, my comment was not an emotional outburst, but an attempt to reveal to Hothgor just what kind of ignoramous he was defending. Hutter is a global warming denier. Hothgor appeared to think differently.

Hutter is not deserving of civil engagement. He is abusive and insulting, without warrant. He misrepresents facts and twists logic. His type is all too common and in a previous era dressed in brownshirts and strutted on the strasse. It is a type frustrated by their personal insignificance who possess an exaggerated notion of their own intelligence, yet who recognize rigorous analysis only by their inability to understand the content. Fundamentally, they hate intellectuals, though they would that the world saw them as thinkers. This is why, in my view, Hutter attacks cogent thinkers like Dave Cohen, Leanan, Westexas and others. Hutter is not interested in civil discussion, though he makes the occasional pretense that he is. He does not want to lose the attention he gets at TOD. He revels in the destruction and degradation he visits upon TOD.

You have recently been attacking TOD as a proxy for the oil industry, David, another agent, you suggest, in the force of environmental degraders and destroyers. But your attack is misdirected. Hutter, the archetypical brownshirt, is your real enemy.

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