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MikeK on February 20, 2007 - 10:44pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Point taken--I will go elsewhere--not because I do not want civil and respectful debate, I do, but because I want to see opposing views and I do not agree with how the admins approached the banning.

The approach they made looks like they were banned more for their opposing views and not for their tone. First of all, I believe that the site should have posting guidelines. Then, if the admins do not approve with how someone states something, point out what is unfavorable and tell them the next time they repeat it they will be banned for 3 days. If it continues, then ban them.

If I could look back at old post, and had the time, I would show how a few of the banned posters got flamed more then they ever "disrespected" other posters. Cursing was rarely used and if something was attacked, it was the opposing posters idea, not the poster themselves. Most the time they provided information why they believed the opposing view was incorrect.

I would sometimes see a post something like, “You have to be kidding me. You would have to be incompetent to believe x,” but then it was normally followed up with pretty sound information backing up their view/opinion. I do not agree with how they stated it and believe it could have been stated in a more politically correct manner, but I also believe that the admins approached this poorly.

Regards,

Michael

How are the inflamatory posters suppose to k

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peakearl on February 21, 2007 - 1:12am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

If you really went back, you would have found lots of personal slams by all 3 banned posters. If you look further, you will find that there have been and are posters well read and respected by most of us on TOD who have views consistent with H****'s and even possibly F***'s for example in terms of peak dates. Khebab, Rembrandt, RR, Euan Mearns, Skrebowski and several others have the same view of peaking dates for example as does H*****r, but have engaged in a long-term, civil, mutually respectful debate with Westexas, Dave Cohen and Stuart Staniford who believe peak is here.

I think, therefore, it is obviously not the opposing views that got them banned. I think the right decision was made. I hope Dave will stay. I am sorry we lost Freddy, because he did have a contribution to make, but he also was extremely rude and derogatory too often, which detracted from his own points.

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Sam Foucher on February 21, 2007 - 10:55am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Dealing with opposite views in a democratic and fair way is a touchy subject. I'm also a moderator on PO.com and appreciate the difficulty of moderating a forum. I agree that it takes courage to preach contrarian views on any forum. Try to preach Darwinism in a creationist forum and see what happens! Everybody will dismiss your views and you will get very frustrated very fast and may resort to ad hominem attacks to get some reactions.

IMO, in any public arena, if you have contrarian views and want to convince people it's up to you to make high quality comments, backup your claims with references and be as civil as possible. I think TOD should have zero tolerance on any ad hominem attacks from any posters. The best would be to have some sort of comment ranking/filtering system in order to filter the noise.

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Kevembuangga on February 21, 2007 - 2:09pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

if you have contrarian views and want to convince people it's up to you to make high quality comments, backup your claims with references and be as civil as possible.

No, this is most often ineffective, see Controversial Dialectic.
Therefore I disagree with this:

I think TOD should have zero tolerance on any ad hominem attacks from any posters.

The problem isn't ad hominem or whatever "political correctness" it is EFFICIENCY, the banned trolls weren't efficient they were clumsy and undermined their own positions, they rightfully lost, I am NOT supporting them.
I only want to emphasize that your suggestion is misdirected.

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Sam Foucher on February 21, 2007 - 2:29pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Interesting, however how do you evaluate a poster efficiency? maybe (total valuable information)/(number of comments).

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Prof. Goose on February 21, 2007 - 3:13pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

khebab, I do love the way you think.

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