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THE RACE IS ON: CAN SOLAR OUTRUN THE NATURAL GAS CRISIS?
http://www.solarforecast.com/ArticleDetails.php?articleID=322
Sharp hedges, but has the production history
http://prextra.sharp-eu.com/pr/eu/download.php?DWID=51&PR=solar_press
Shell bets on CIS Thin Film:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/02/shell_bets_on_t.php
Honda aims to be there and go big:
http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/12/honda_joins_cig.html
Plus the newcomers,
Q-Cells, Daystar, Global Solar, HelioVolt, Konarka, Miasole, and Nanosolar
There seems to be a growing consensus that the North America faces a potentially dangerous natural gas crisis within the next three to five years, and potentially sooner if weather conditions were to turn against us (i.e.extremely hot summers or extremely cold winters).
Due to local opposition at almost any site chosen and technical /financial issues, the needed imports of LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) are unlikely to arrive in time, unless we assume a miracle is forthcoming.
Stopping increased consumption of natural gas in the production of electricity is now becoming a national safety/security issue.
Can thin film solar get here fast enough? Notice the confluence dates of production, 2007-2010 seems like a pivotal period. Few can easily understand what this level of distribution and freedom on energy production can do, it is a new paradigm.
If CIS thin film can deliver what it promises, a revolution bigger than the computer/internet age is at hand. We will know, and very soon.
Roger Conner
Remember, we are only one cubic mile from freedom
Do you expect electricity produced from CIS is capable of climbing a cliff?
.
What comes next? Rig count must increase forever to keep the gas flowing. This will drive the cost of drilling, and cost of natural gas. The end result will be, that wind and solar will become cost competitive on some magical day in the future, and utilities will trip over eachother to install systems on rooftops, just like DirectTV and Cable.
utilities will trip over eachother to install systems on rooftops, just like DirectTV and Cable.
Perhaps in MAdison Wisconsin - where all new roofs must be south facing....but not for saps like me who has an E/W Roof.
(thus my PV panels are perpenduclar to the ground on the south wall.)
Mark B asked,
"Do you expect electricity produced from CIS is capable of climbing a cliff?"
(and attached a very interesting chart, thanks...:-)
I don't know. But frankly, the LNG option is falling apart fast. North American nat gas production could perhaps be pushed up slightly, but as we have seen other posters mention, the return per well is declining, so it would be at great expense, and the math shows that we would be unlikely to increase production enough, fast enough. It can be expected that the tar sand effort in Canada, and the increased consumption of both fertilizer and heat for distilling in the ethanol industry will also drive natural gas consumption higher.
We are now running low on options. A massive return to coal is of course a horrendous choice for obvious reasons. So the two remaining choices that can make a difference big enough and fast enough are:
(a) Widespread conservation
(b) Alternatives (wind, solar thermal and PV Solar as the most promising choices)
The conservation route will work, but it will require will. Insulation, movable insulation (insulating shutters) more efficient heating and air conditioning (ground source heat pumps as an example), improvement in appliances and lighting, daylighting, etc. (Does anyone ever go to the energystar site?
http://www.energystar.gov/
Also, re-evaluation of natural gas use in every business and industrial practice it is used in. Reduction of Diesel fuel consumption
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/12/walmart_seeks_t.html
http://ezinearticles.com/?Increased-Fuel-Efficiency-For-Volvo-Trucks&id=...
The reason this is important is that unknown to most consumers, Diesel fuel now requires an increased amount of natural gas to produce, as it is used as desulfuring agent to produce Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel fuel.
But, at the end of the day, there is no avoiding the fact that electric consumption in the U.S. is only going to grow, even with conservation measures. Thus, we have to turn seriously to the alternatives, Wind and Solar.
We have long discussed the wind option, and it has grown as an energy provider, but it must be admitted that it is limited by wind availability and the variability problem.
Solar PV suffers the variability problem, but if cells and panels can be made that are cheaper and more efficient, they can be used almost anywhere. The issue is price per kilowatt. The trend seems to be moving very fast in favor of PV electric, and a fair number of firms are now preparing for mass production. We are at the turning point.
There has been some concern about the supply of Indium. I once did a long post on TOD exposing research I had done into that metal, in which I found that the supply was not nearly as limited as it is sometimes made out, but of course, it was read by virtually no one, being somewhat dry and "boring" to most. For most of it's history, Indium has been considered virtually useless and had no real market, thus no effort has been made many years to even extract it. Likewise, no real effort has been made at improving methods of extraction. I would recomment that anyone interested go to the largest supplier of the metal, and check it out, it is actually very interesting:
http://www.indium.com/
The industry is claiming no real problem on Indium supply for many years, and the thin film solar industry is investing in production capacitiy as though they have no fear of not having raw material. However, the points about supply are well taken, and we should not go into the game wasting the raw material needed to sustain the industry. Indium can be recycled (although for many years, it was so cheap and lacked a market that no one really tried), and all efforts should be made to use the material wisely.
So, can CIS thin film solar climb a cliff? All indications are that it is at the very front of the development curve, and can grow very, very fast. But can it outrun our coming natural gas crisis?
By itself, probably not. But it can be a major part of a overall solution involving electric power consumption conservation efforts, Diesel conservation, and heating/cooling efficiency improvements. In the longer term, it holds revolutionary promise, as the methods of production and the use of raw materials improve. But right now, we must concern ourselves with the near term (3 to 5 years).
We are now at the point that "analysis paralysis" cannot be allowed to slow our efforts. The storm is on the horizon, so close we can start to feel the winds from the storm front. We are running out of time.
Thank you.
Roger Conner Jr.
Remember we are only one cubic mile from freedom
Third alternative: Radical increase in efficiency of use.
In this category I would put gas-burning heat pumps (esp. if we could get one of the sub-$300/kW SOFC units into mass production) and just plain insulation.
One radical increase in efficiency. Transfer freight from heavy trucks to electrified rail. 20 BTUa diesel > 1` BTU electricity (joules for y'all metric folk).
Best Hopes,
Alan
If the semis burned natural gas, you might be on-point there....
The #1 source of home heating in the US is natural gas. #2 is heating oil. Heating oil is just diesel without controls on cetane and higher sulfur.
Many industries can switch between natural gas & oil, depending upon price. A number of city buses burn NG, but most burn diesel.
Although a number of small islands burn diesel, it seems unlikely that diesel would become a major source of anything other than emergency power in North America. However, shortfalls of NG will result in more blackouts and much more emergency generation, see China in 2005 as an example. The demand for diesel for on-site generation during blackouts affected world markets.
With some friction, NG & diesel are fungible within a range.
Best Hopes,
Alan
Again, let's double the efficiency of use (for those things we cannot convert). Replace oil furnaces with diesel-driven heat pumps. A Lister-type is about 30% efficient, and a heat pump with an EER of 12 has a coefficient of performance of about 3.5. If heat losses amount to 10%, the net CoP is 0.3*3.5 + 0.6 = 1.65. This is around double the efficiency of the typical oil furnace, cutting fuel requirements in half.
If the coupling between the engine and the heat pump compressor is electric, the system can run on the grid when it is available and use the diesel for backup. The potential for DSM (utility switches the diesels on and off to shave peak loads) ought to have grid managers salivating.
I'm with you on this, RC. I believe electricity produced from solar technology will be a major piece of the solution via applications of electric rail, cars, heating, cooling and cooking, etc. I am preparing to move 10 miles outside a small community that lies between two large cities in Texas (San Antonio and Austin). I own four houses on about 26 acres... the smallest one I'm keeping for myself, the others I hope to keep rented. Living off the grid is my desire. Do you think it's possible to heat/cool/cook/refrig completely from solar in this part of the country with a 700 sqft stone house, metal roof (with fireplace)? After reading Nate's article and comments on Climate Change, Sabre Tooth Tigers and Devaluing the Future, and the encouraging news of CIGS, I am ready to take the plunge and invest the dollars. Hope I'm not too late - :-).
Dear out:
I'm not sure where you live, but here on the Columbia River where I live most of us believe LNG importation would be an unmitigatable disaster -- economic displacement, environmental catastrophe, and a security risk besides. No doubt you would welcome such a thing in your own back yard -- but maybe that isn't even necessary. The four existing plants in the US are reportedly not running at full capacity, and all of them can be expanded when necessary, at far less cost than building a new facility.
The problem seems not so much to be NIMBY's like me, but cold, hard market logic: the market doesn't need the stuff at the price it is willing to pay, and the LNG supply is not available anyway.
NeverLNG,
I am not in the camp who would pick on those locals in various communities who oppose LNG terminals. It is their community, and they have the right to attempt to decide the type of community they want.
To your remark, "No doubt you would welcome such a thing in your own back yard -- but maybe that isn't even necessary." First, I won't make a statement on that, because I am an inlander, in Central Kentucky, so we are not confronted with the choice. It would be cheap of me to say, "yes, we would love to have an LNG Terminal!", knowing that there is no possibility of one being put here. As for "maybe that isn't even necessary.", I have seen no study that shows that the needed volume of LNG can be handled by the 4 existing plants no matter how much they are expanded, unless one assumes expansions of gigantic scale, and likewise, massive expansions in the pipelines to those plants. And imagine the LNG tanker traffic at only 4 terminals! The four we have are simply not enough if all indications are correct.
The critical issue is time. We are simply running out of it. We have been blessed with extremely mild weather, and have already "outsourced" many natural gas critical industries. (fertilizer being the most critical). How much more we can outsource before we really start to damage the U.S. economy we don't know.
What we do know is this: The coming natural gas crisis is about the only issue that such diverse pundits and experts as Matthew Simmons, CERA's Danial Yergin, T. Boone Pickens, the EIA, Roscoe Bartlett, former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, and current President G.W. Bush can agree on.
Should that not inform us and cause us to take action?
The LNG option was the preferred course of action of the powers that be.
For a variety of reasons, that option is collapsing. 5 years past where the nation was assured by it's leadership that this path was absolutely essential to have any hope of nat gas supply meeting demand, LNG is virtually stillborn, if not aborted in the womb.
This is why I say again, massive conservation efforts, solar and wind are now becoming our only way to avoid a national emergency, and we probably have 3 to 5 years at most. If we get unlucky on weather, it could be much shorter.
One more thing: In the discussions surrounding the TXU buyout, there is discussion of aborting a good number of planned coal fired plants. This would be a major victory, and should be encouraged, but it only increases the pressure to find some other way to make electric power. Going to natural gas in our current situation would only be another nail in the coffin. This is the time for the alternatives to begin to make their market move. The market pressure for the incorporation of thin film solar, solar hot water, and windmills is increasing daily. Can they deliver? We have to hope so.
Our options are running out.
Thank you for your attention, Roger Conner Jr.
Remember, we are only one cubic mile from freedom
It's the price and availability of indium which will determine the future of the thin-film market, IMO.
I'm all ears. What is the source and market for indium? According to Wikipedia, it is about as abundant as silver in the Earth's crust, and the major current source is Canada.
Is that another reason to pre-emptively invade? Blood for indium??
It's a bitch to extract and refine. Check out the historical prices. The use of indium in flat-panel computer displays has increased demand enough to cause the price to increase 10X from 2002 to 2006.
The use of rare earth elements in thin film PVs will hit a wall when it gets down to ever hoping for them to be manufactured in quantities enough to begin to replace fossil fuels.
that is a concept many people here seem not to understand. % of earth's crust and concentrations of said material are not the only factors in obtaining resources.
capslock said,
"The use of indium in flat-panel computer displays has increased demand enough to cause the price to increase 10X from 2002 to 2006."
While that market has certainly driven the demand and thus the price of Indium up, there is another factor: Speculation.
For many decades, the market for Indium was so limited, and the metal was controlled by such a small group of insiders, there was no speculation attempted.
Recently, the market has drawn enough attention as a speculative play that the FTC had to send out market fruad warning notices telling people that there were many attempting to sell futures in Indium at extremely outragous prices, and with no assurance that they actually had or could get possession of the commodity.
There is one more point: The amount of Indium per square foot of panel is actually quite small, just as it is in flat panel display panels. And the thin film industry is still primitive in it's application of Indium. It is striving to reduce the consumption of raw materials daily.
But, you are correct, as are other posters here, to point out that the materials needed to make the panels are indeed the limiting factor.
We have to assume the industry will get more efficient with each passing day, and they are correct in their bet that the raw materials are out there.
Roger Conner Jr.
Remember we are only one cubic mile from freedom
Uni-Solar is producing some of the best thin-film PV in the world, and it requires no indium. They are using amorphous silicon, which is much cheaper to produce than solar cells made of crystalline silicon, and is not in short supply.
Sun Edison is using their cells in many large scale projects.
I bought four amorphus 10 watt panels 20+ years ago becuase they were cheap. The layers are delaminating from the glass. Hope the new ones have a better lifespan. I also bought a 37 watt shortly after and it's fine. All of the other 48-75 watt panels I have are crystalline. I'll wait quite a few years before I try "the state of the art."
The a-silicon PV from Uni-Solar have been winning projects in California for the elementary school rooftops project, and recently on a Staples Distribution Center in Killingly, Conn., which represents the largest solar panel installation in New England.
I can only assume that these business successes attest to their products quality and price competitiveness.
The lifespan of any PV technology is extremely important because of the very low trickle of power that comes out of it. PV depends on long life for a positive lifetime energy return. If amorphous PV can't cut it in the longevity area, it will soon be history.
THE RACE IS ON: CAN SOLAR OUTRUN THE NATURAL GAS CRISIS?
Errr, Natural gas IS dsolar... just aged.
Humanity has little choice but to use the photon of the now.
(unless fusion on earth is somehow harnessed.)