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Some people who post here feel they are part of a community, or feel a responsibility towards creating credible policies. Reasonable people, with reasonable goals.
Others of us don't care about credibility in this sense at all. It was blindingly clear ca 1977 what the future would look like in terms of oil, and whether that future was in 10 years or 30 years wasn't exactly the important point - the important point was to prepare.
If you live in America, look around and tell me what you see in the way of preparation for peak oil since 1977. So much for credible policies following reasonable discussion.
When peak oil arrives, and in my view, it has, it likely won't lead to Americans suddenly questioning how they have lived for the last 30 years. But it will force them to change how they live, whether they desire it or not.
One of the big background questions here is, how will America deal with reality? TOD is pretty America-centric, which allows for a fine glimpse into something a lot of non-Americans just can't grasp - why Americans have built an entire infrastructure over the last couple of generations which doesn't allow people to walk, for example, is something Germans just can't comprehend.
At this point, whether peak is now or in 3-5 years (a solid consensus estimate by most reasonable measures) really doesn't matter that much to America's immediate future.
One OECD country, a very statist one, - France -, following the legacy of De Gaulle, did take it to heart and tried to anticipate and build a ‘communal’ - country, nation, region, all people together - solution, or action, or re-action, and, as we know, go for ‘nukulear’ run by the State.
Whether this is good or bad I leave up to others.
Of course, France’s nuclear push predates the early 1970’s oil shocks.
First nuclear plant which produced electricity, USSR, 1954.
France: 1963, at Chinon. (afaik)
So history has a long arm...
Good points expat -
I read and sometimes post comments to TOD because I just happened to stumble upon the immediacy of peak oil (I’m a geologist so I knew the concept well but truthfully hadn’t paid much attention to its implications) when I was surfing around the internet after a particularly bad week (personally) in these United States. The internet, TOD and Kunstler in particular, contained observations and opinions from people who actually had the perception to realize and articulate that something was (is) fundamentally wrong out there with our way of life. I had this building feeling that if you were a person who didn’t buy into this hyperconsumer lifestyle then you were just going to get rolled by those who have been consumed by it… I simply was not encountering any engagement on this feeling with any other people I talked with – just would get the classic “eyes glaze over, 1000 yd. stare, quick change the subject this is boring me” response. My girlfriend has been amazing because she does see what first brought me to TOD and agrees that we’re in trouble but I think she’s a bit more optimistic than me and thinks that things could get bad for a spell but ultimately we’ll all pull together… I argue with her that I don’t think human nature (genetics) bode well for that kind of happy thinking… but we’re still both works in progress – and we are struggling to prepare, as you suggest…
Thought I’d relate this to you because I think your observation about TOD contributors feeling as though they’re “part of a community” really is what has been most important to me. The reinforcement of these ideas has actually spurred me on to prepare for this when everyday influences and encounters try to suggest the exact opposite (“move along – nothing to see here”, bread & circuses etc.). Seeing items other people have written and saying to myself “damn, that sounds EXACTLY like what I think…” has been very helpful when, in my every day life and encounters, I feel that way very, very rarely…
yup