Chris - I was wondering if you or any other UK based TODers saw the Channel Four documentary last night titled "The Great Global Warming Swindle". This was amazingly one sided and biased, but not entirely devoid of credibility.

It basically discussed in some pretty unclear terms the roll of solar activity and in particular magentic field in deflecting cosmic rays, linked to cloud formation here on Earth.

I got a pile of other stuff to do so will cut this short - in short I think we should all be concerned that the Earth was heading into a natural warming phase and that the greenhouse effect may greatly exasperate this problem. The C4 program was basically saying CO2 and greenhouse effect does not exist and all current warming can be explained by natural processes.

Let me guess, at least five of these 26 "scientists" were quoted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_skeptic

Channel 4 should be ashamed for giving these people oxygen. They are little better than the "scientists" who defended Big Tobacco. In fact, some climate change denialists were previously employed to defend tobacco. Fred Singer for one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Singer#Publication_on_health_effects_o...

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled-carl-wuns...

Partial Response to the London Channel 4 Film "The Global Warming Swindle"

Carl Wunsch 11 March 2007

I believe that climate change is real, a major threat, and almost surely has a major human-induced component. But I have tried to stay out of the `climate wars' because all nuance tends to be lost, and the distinction between what we know firmly, as scientists, and what we suspect is happening, is so difficult to maintain in the presence of rhetorical excess. In the long run, our credibility as scientists rests on being very careful of, and protective of, our authority and expertise.

The science of climate change remains incomplete. Some elements are so firmly based on well-understood principles, or for which the observational record is so clear, that most scientists would agree that they are almost surely true (adding CO2 to the atmosphere is dangerous; sea level will continue to rise,...). Other elements remain more uncertain, but we as scientists in our roles as informed citizens believe society should be deeply concerned about their possibility: failure of US midwestern precipitation in 100 years in a mega-drought; melting of a large part of the Greenland ice sheet, among many other examples.

I am on record in a number of places complaining about the over-dramatization and unwarranted extrapolation of scientific facts. Thus the notion that the Gulf Stream would or could "shut off" or that with global warming Britain would go into a "new ice age" are either scientifically impossible or so unlikely as to threaten our credibility as a scientific discipline if we proclaim their reality [i.e. see this previous RC post]. They also are huge distractions from more immediate and realistic threats. I've paid more attention to the extreme claims in the literature warning of coming catastrophe, both because I regard the scientists there as more serious, and because I am very sympathetic to the goals of my colleagues who sometimes seem, however, to be confusing their specific scientific knowledge with their worries about the future.

When approached by WAGTV, on behalf of Channel 4, known to me as one of the main UK independent broadcasters, I was led to believe that I would be given an opportunity to explain why I, like some others, find the statements at both extremes of the global change debate distasteful. I am, after all a teacher, and this seemed like a good opportunity to explain why, for example, I thought more attention should be paid to sea level rise, which is ongoing and unstoppable and carries a real threat of acceleration, than to the unsupportable claims that the ocean circulation was undergoing shutdown (Nature, December 2005).

I wanted to explain why observing the ocean was so difficult, and why it is so tricky to predict with any degree of confidence such important climate elements as its heat and carbon storage and transports in 10 or 100 years. I am distrustful of prediction scenarios for details of the ocean circulation that rely on extremely complicated coupled models that run out for decades to thousands of years. The science is not sufficiently mature to say which of the many complex elements of such forecasts are skillful. Nonetheless, and contrary to the impression given in the film, I firmly believe there is a great deal to be learned from models. With effort, all of this is explicable in terms the public can understand.

In the part of the "Swindle" film where I am describing the fact that the ocean tends to expel carbon dioxide where it is warm, and to absorb it where it is cold, my intent was to explain that warming the ocean could be dangerous---because it is such a gigantic reservoir of carbon. By its placement in the film, it appears that I am saying that since carbon dioxide exists in the ocean in such large quantities, human influence must not be very important --- diametrically opposite to the point I was making --- which is that global warming is both real and threatening in many different ways, some unexpected.

Many of us feel an obligation to talk to the media---it's part of our role as scientists, citizens, and educators. The subjects are complicated, and it is easy to be misquoted or quoted out context. My experience in the past is that these things do happen, but usually inadvertently --- most reporters really do want to get it right.

Channel 4 now says they were making a film in a series of "polemics". There is nothing in the communication we had (much of it on the telephone or with the film crew on the day they were in Boston) that suggested they were making a film that was one-sided, anti-educational, and misleading. I took them at face value---clearly a great error. I knew I had no control over the actual content, but it never occurred to me that I was dealing with people who already had a reputation for distortion and exaggeration.

The letter I sent them as soon as I heard about the actual program is below. [available here]

As a society, we need to take out insurance against catastrophe in the same way we take out homeowner's protection against fire. I buy fire insurance, but I also take the precaution of having the wiring in the house checked, keeping the heating system up to date, etc., all the while hoping that I won't need the insurance. Will any of these precautions work? Unexpected things still happen (lightning strike? plumber's torch igniting the woodwork?). How large a fire insurance premium is it worth paying? How much is it worth paying for rewiring the house? $10,000 but perhaps not $100,000? There are no simple answers even at this mundane level.

How much is it worth to society to restrain CO2 emissions --- will that guarantee protection against global warming? Is it sensible to subsidize insurance for people who wish to build in regions strongly susceptible to coastal flooding? These and others are truly complicated questions where often the science is not mature enough give definitive answers, much as we would like to be able to provide them. Scientifically, we can recognize the reality of the threat, and much of what society needs to insure against. Statements of concern do not need to imply that we have all the answers. Channel 4 had an opportunity to elucidate some of this. The outcome is sad.

I did and I was very disappointed with Channel 4 for showing it. 80% of it was a load of rubbish in my opinion.

There was some interesting bits, however it was full of half truths used to make incorrect points - how can they (quite rightly, see my article below) criticise Gore for not mention the lag (CO2 lags temperature in the paleoclimate) but then not explain how the paleoclimate really worked? See my article for explanation of paleoclimate here.

Only ignorant people or people trying to make the right point for the wrong reason (Gore) say the paleoclimate was driven by CO2 - no climate scientist worth his salt will say that.

I loved the way they described rotting leaves as a source of CO2, without mentioning the growth of leaves as a sink! There are too many stupid bits like that in this programme to take it seriously. Solar variation has been considered by the IPCC – and there simply hasn’t been the change to explain the last 30 years of warming.

Also – the tone of the programme was very cornucopian, industrial growth is good – no consideration for sustainability or resource limitations, no consideration of increased acidity of the seas due to increased CO2.

Well I thought it was good.

Finally a voice of dissent. I've pretty much given up on the BBC due to their insistance of reporting GW as a fact and not a theory. Now that's lazy tabloid journalism.

With as many experts in fields as was presented (plus no doubt many more who declined to appear on TV for fear of loss of funding/acceptance) puts significant doubt into just how much science is in this process and how much politics has interfered.

Why would I trust a bunch of individuals (IPCC) that I already do not trust to tell me whether or not I am affecting the climate when I know fine well that they're (UK government) already looking for a way to increase taxation and reduce mobility.

If I thought this was just about science then I'd be more agnostic on the whole thing.

But the politicalisation of the whole thing stinks. That and the inherantly redisributive policies that go along with such things as "carbon rationing/carbon trading" just raise my suspicions that the bandwagon has indeed been hijacked by the failed socialists of yesteryear.

Green. Its the new red. And I don't like it one bit.

Andy

andytk, I take it that you believe peak oil/gas is nigh but anthropogenic climate change is nonsense?

A very odd set of beliefs given that the mainstream now accepts AGW as fact but PO is viewed as some sort of doomsday cult.

He refuses to believe anything anybody else does.

andytk, I take it that you believe peak oil/gas is nigh but anthropogenic climate change is nonsense?

Yup thats pretty much it. Peak oil is but a technical challenge.

Andy

I saw it. My intiial reaction when viewing it was how absolutely plausible it seeemd to blame GW on solar activity and (ack of cloud cover. I would think it left many thousands of people feeling a lot better about global warming...

As usual, with all these things, there is no middle ground. I am sue that solar activity and cloud cover have a (substantial) part to play in GW, but I am equally sure that man-made greenhouse gas (not just CO2 which is what they focused on in the programme) is playing a critical marginal role.

It also really annoys me that the attribution of "man-made greenhouse gas" is limited to our use of fossil fuels. If the human population were not 6.5 billion, there would be far fewer methane-emitting cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens, etc and far more CO2 consuming rain-forest. The net aggregate of those emissions must also be seen to be man-made.

I could rant on... but I won't

It also really annoys me that the attribution of "man-made greenhouse gas" is limited to our use of fossil fuels.

Who is limiting the attribution to exclude non-fossil sources of greenhouses gases? Organizations like the EPA, IEA, UN, World Bank and IPCC have done extensive analyses of non-fossil impacts. This chart indicates that agriculture, waste disposal and deforestation account for 35% of global greenhouse gas emissions.

Laurence, I was referring to the TV programme under discussion.

It has made an impact on the people in my office who watched it. "Global Warming debunked" is the general attitude

Everyone is always eager to feel better about the state of the world... too bad that a malformed TV program is just a short term palliative. There's such a continuing flood of evidence about the impacts of climate change that what the polluting industries really need is a 24/7 TV channel devoted to countering all of it.

Of course anything that re-inforces the feeling that nothings wrong and the party continues indefinitely is lapped down, just pick up a copy of the Daily Mail.

Unfortunately any programme that features Nigel Lawson trying to convince me of something is dead in the water. If he told me the world was round I would have to seriously investigate the flat earth society.

Thatcher, Lawson and co are the originating culprits of the predicament the UK is now in. New Labour is nothing more than a rebranded Thatcherism. At some point the folly of the last 25 years of unregulated market capitalism will come home to roost with a vengence. With the national silver sold and the UK infrastucture owned by overseas multi nationals the future is looking incresingly bleak.

Its ironic that the 'Iron Ladys' rule has ultimately undermined the national security.

I taped it and watched it this morning. Interesting program. My first reaction was to get very angry over the title. However, listening to the program slowly bought down my blood pressure.

One comment was the program concentrated on CO2 as the sole greenhouse gas, which is not true. Many other gasses (like Methane) are much more potent, but not much discussion has gone into those compared to CO2.

I liked the chart on solar flares. The sun is the biggest influence on temperatures on Earth. However, most astronomers have said that changes in the sun's power output is not significant enough to account for temperature changes.

The decrease in overall temperatures between 1940 and 1980, I would like explained more. The solar flare (in)activity was implied as the culprit for this decrease from the graphs aired on this program seemed to show.

I think the program was more saying man made CO2 didn't affect the atmosphere. It did say that greenhouse affect did exist otherwise the Earth would be uninhabitable (about 1 minute of program), but Man was overstating his own importance. I think I need to see the program several times to pick up points that I have missed the first time round.

It will be shown again on More4 Monday, I think, for those who missed it last night.

The solar flare (in)activity was implied as the culprit for this decrease from the graphs aired on this program seemed to show.

There has been no significant change in solar activity since about 1950. This post and this post from Real Climate have more detailed explanations.

The decrease in temperature 1940-1980 is mostly attributed to an increase in sulphate emissions that outweighed the effects of greenhouses gases during that period. This chart has more detailed information.

thanks

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled-carl-wuns...

Scientist quoted in the show says his work was taken out of context and made to appear that he has exactly the opposite conclusion that he does have.