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I can't believe it, I have been coming here over half of TOD's lifetime?
It looked so pro a year ago, I thought it had been here since the birh of the web! :-)
Congrats is the word, I have read some absolutely veiwpoint altering and widening stuff since I have been here...and more links than I can find time to follow, many of them with promise of fascinating new developments and technologies...
Of course, with a bigger and bigger voice comes bigger responsibility. I will say that most folks here (compared to the broader standard of behavior on the web) take the responsibility seriously. TOD and it's writers now influence peoples thinking and perceptions and is seen by many newcomers as the "educated class" of old timers on these energy issues. But, and I know, I have sang this tune before with little effect, but we should always keep in mind how our words affect the more vulnerable among us. I read a post here by a father of an autistic little girl. It brought tears to my eyes, actually. He was deeply concerned about medication and care for the child should we face "the worst case" scenario. What was moving was the sincerity of his words, he was not greatly worried about himself, but about his very vulnerable child.
On another site, I read a post by a college girl, living alone for the first time in her life, who had come upon one of the, shall we say, "darker" sites concernign energy depletion and the great crash. She was beside herself with fear, unable to concentrate, and thinking of dropping out of college (what good would it do in a world in catastrophic collapse, on the edge of a new dark age?
So please, if you can, think about the effect words have on often lonely, non-technical and vulnerable people. It seems this is one of the first little services that we can perform for humanity.
I know that most folks here care about people. How do I know that? Because the greedy thing to do would be to be silent, not givel others warning of the danger, and hoard and protect ourselves.
But most folks at TOD are at heart "community builders", either on the web or in the real world. It is a community that bring real information to many, act as a trading board of technical information and available options, and perhaps cause someone who has never had any interest in energy and energy solutions to jump in the puzzle solving fun, and accidently stumble into a really big breakthrough. Remember, the home computer was born from the cross chatter of hobbyists, and created a revolution. We can only hope for so much!
Again, congratulations on a fascinating and informative place on the web, and great to meet all the extremely bright folks I have met here, at least in the virtual sense! :-)
Roger Conner Jr.
Remember, we are only one cubic mile from freedom
Roger, I have a friend who faces the same dilemma with a blind child who requires expensive medications, which in an EOTWAWKI scenario could be tragic.
He is peak oil aware and has been spreading the word for over 5 years. Many people get very depressed as the peak oil scenario breaks through the resistive fog of day to day, but most get over it and look to solutions. We need to keep spreading the word and hope that the weaker among us work through the negative thoughts that are initially inevitable.
Congratulations to TOD for a job, so far, well done indeed.
Roger,
Why don't you reference what you're referring to? It is so obvious you are reffering to the following discussion, don't try to bs me that it's not the one you're reffering to. If it is then I challenge you to post the link proving me wrong;
http://www.peakoilstore.com/forum/index.php/topic,2264.0.html
For the record, she got some damn good advice from my forum members.
Why not just reference it? Are you afraid the Chimp Who Can Drive formerly known as the AMPOD will intellecutally take you you to the mat like a true primate?
Chimp,
Well, actually, the post I was thinking of must have been from some where else, as it was at least 4 or 5 months ago.....that's why I didn't reference the source, because I couldn't possibly remember it (it was from something with an "out of the wilderness or preparing for peak type title", but was not nearly as recent as the one your referencing.
(and no b.s., what would it gain me by not saying it if the post your referencing was the one, I could care less exactly where I first read the post....I am certain there are now many similiar cases out there...
And I do not have time at this moment to read the whole string, but you provided the link, so yes, anyone can reference the one at www.peakstore, and see what they think of the advice given, from the quick scan I did it didn't look bad...
Another source for and showing some of the reactions of folks to what they read and see on the web is http://www.peakoilblues.com
sometimes the traffic is light, but some of the archived stories, which sound very sincere are pretty informative of the power the peak movement has over peoples perceptions, and sometimes emotions.
My post at the front of this string was not intended "to find fault", but just to remind folks that the "science" of peak oil, such as it is and the perceptions that can be created and scenarios that can be visualized are two diffferent things....I am convinced that peak oil will occur (I don't know when, it may already be behind us and we are on downside, or it may be a decade plus out in front) but that many of the scenarios seen in many books and on many websites are pure conjecture, some very, very fanciful based on the numbers given even by "peak authorities" such as Campbell, ASPO and others.
And hey, I would be fool to take a chimp who can drive on in an intellectual contest, I know to pick my fights more carefully than that! :-)
Roger Conner
Remember, we are only one cubic mile from freedom
Roger,
You do not want to dance with the Chimp on this fine spring morning? Very well. Perhaps we will meet in battle another day.
My own user data says "Member for 1 year 30 weeks", so I've been here since TOD was about 5 months old. The Ergosphere is only a tad over 3 itself.
I think we can get past this without even giving up suburbia. Transportation is the big problem for oil depletion, but that looks fixable. Cars like the Tesla Roadster are far too costly for the average driver, but the announcement of the Chevy Volt and now the Venture Vehicles VentureOne (coming 2008) shows that we can go oil-free for most of that too. Climate change is the other problem, but if it's possible to deal with it using biofuels and high-efficiency converters alone (a la "Sustainability") then a fix using the above plus our full complement of wind, solar, nuclear and cogeneration should make it even easier.
We know how to do this. It's just engineering (says the engineer), a bit of architecture, that sort of thing. What we need is a way to get people to actually do what we know how to do.