Fertilizers are the least important input in crop productivity.

You had me going until I got to that line WNC Observer. But at that point I knew you hadn't a fu**ing clue as to what the hell you were talking about. Just try growing corn, or cotton, or soybeans, or wheat without fertilizers and see what kind of yield you get.

Of course water and sunlight is important. But that sure as hell does not mean fertilizer is unimportant. Have you ever heard of Liebig's Law of the Minimum? You cannot grow anything without water, sunlight or the necessary elements in the soil. All of them are important and nothing will grow without them. If you don't have enough nitrogen in the soil, you will not get much of anything. That goes for potassium and phosphate as well.

Of course you could go back to organic farming, or pointed stick planting as they did many years ago. But you would go back to those yields as well. It is with the aid of chemical fertilizers that brought about the green revolution. And if those fertilizers go away, we would only be able to feed a tiny fraction of the people we feed today.

Ron Patterson

Who said without any? Who said unimportant? What I said was LEAST important. Of course soil fertility matters. But you can pour all of the fertilizers you want on the land, but if there is not enough water or sunlight, they will make no difference at all. Soil fertility must be maintained by adding plenty of manure & compost and crop rotation, that is the only sustainable way to do it, and if it isn't done, then of course crop yields are going to be pretty pitiful. Chemical fertilizers have been a convenient but unsustainable shortcut. Maybe using them has generated superior yields, but those are not sustainable yields. But there is no way that shifting from unsustainable to sustainable practices means that yields will disappear.

"But you would go back to those yields as well. It is with the aid of chemical fertilizers that brought about the green revolution."

Erm, I know a couple here who grow crops organically, and they would be the first to pull you up on this point. It took me all of 5 seconds to Google this:

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/organic.farm.vs.other.ssl.html
http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/~christos/articles/cv_organic_farming.html

Crop yields from modern organic farming are often equal to or in excess of conventional farming.

"You can never solve a problem on the level on which it was created."
Albert Einstein

thats not definitive proof..
but oh well. believe what you want, the green revolution was simply industrializing agriculture. without the energy basis behind that industrialization we will go back to the pre green revolution level of food production if not less due to soil damage between then and now.

I agree that the vast availability of energy was probably the most important part in the green revolution, but that has nothing to do with my comment. Chemical (in the loose sense of argi chem fertilisers - as opposed to manure type) fertilisers are not necessary to maintain high yields.

"You can never solve a problem on the level on which it was created."
Albert Einstein