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A steep short sweet plateau....
I know a lot of people still may think PO is not here yet.
But at the beginning of such a plateau, someone somewhere must start reducing demand if other countries continue to grow. US, and Chinese demand is still growing, as an example.
So, the effects of Peak Oil are already rippling thru the third world - Parts of Africa, Asia, South and Central America.
The longer the plateau, the further up the ladder the forced conservation/demand destruction climbs.
This is reconciled against the OECD (rich countries) continuing to draw down stockpiles at a rate of almost 1MMBPD (930kbpd April). They are just deferring the climb a short while (delaying the next major bidding round) but not for long.
Hi peakTO, here is where US gets the extra oil form, Reuters-senegal , feeling guilty ?
The other day (2 days ?) they prompted Senegal has ONLY 1 week worth of diesel (fuel) to run their entire national electricity supplies..... full blackout is in the comming
Senegal are tasting the fruits of soaring fuel-costs and have "peak-oil (money-wise) in the corner of their eyes ...."
The Guinea had similar issues some time back - and it is not going away ...
A pumpkin is ONLY so big -
Just watch the MSM blank this one for a while!
Wall Street Journal 18 May:
The impact of today's energy crunch on the poor is plain in rich nations such as America: Expensive gasoline and soaring heating bills make a hard life harder. In impoverished countries such as Guinea, where per capita income is just $370 a year and surging gasoline prices have helped spark bloody riots, the energy shock has become a matter of life and death.
Global demand for oil has soared in recent years, pushing international prices to record levels. Despite a recent decline, a barrel of crude still costs about double what it did three years ago. The most powerful energy-importing nations have responded by proclaiming energy security a top policy goal. President Bush has vowed to wean America off its "addiction" to oil. The U.S. is mobilizing more ships and soldiers to protect supply lines, while Beijing is scrambling to buy oil fields from Asia to Africa.
While robust economies like America and China are withstanding the shock, the poorest countries aren't. Increasingly they can't afford to slake their citizens' thirst for petroleum -- breeding another form of energy insecurity. The pressure threatens to undermine economies and sow domestic strife, further unsettling shaky regions and presenting fresh worries for policy makers in the West. In addition to Guinea, Nepal, Yemen, Iraq and Indonesia all have been rocked by fuel protests in the past two years.
From Saildog - I picked this up from another thread here on TOD to drop into another post on FMNN (there are some real nutters over there) - so thanks to whom ever it was who originally posted it!
The 4% projected growth and 8 mbpd shortfall? Talk about selection bias. How about projecting the long term growth of 1.5% instead of selecting the high growth rate coming out of a recession. This leaves only a 2.5mbpd shortfall, roughly 3% of demand. Doubling the price of crude oil resulted in a 3% decrease in demand, how shocking!
Let's state your proposition the other way around - a 3% shortfall in meeting demand caused a doubling in price. What will another 3% shortfall cause? And another? And another?
Also, you are nitpicking. It's still exponential growth. A 4% projected growth rate results in doubling of demand in 17.5 years. A 1.5% projected growth rate results in doubling of demand in 46 years. Do you seriously think petroleum production can grow to 170 million barrels per day by 2053?
Ghawar Is Dying
The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. - Dr. Albert Bartlett
>Let's state your proposition the other way around - a 3% shortfall in meeting demand caused a doubling in price. What will another 3% shortfall cause? And another? And another?
It won't be linear. Once past peak production, economic growth will slow or end. This will put a crimp on demand growth. Thus the price of oil will not go to infinitely as supply slowly dwindles to zero.
"The 4% projected growth and 8 mbpd shortfall? Talk about selection bias."
Yeah, you see a lot of that type of nonsense. The problem is that it completely undercuts what is a serious problem. The fossil fuel crisis is real, but anyone with half a brain sees that type of stuff, shakes their head and turns away....move along, nothing to be seen here....
The same true of picking out these third world Diesel crisis situations and using them as some kind of evidence about the world geological oil situation.
Many of these countries have cartels that control Diesel, no home market refining of Diesel, and enough graft and corruption to bleed even a strong nation to death. How they do as well as they do is evidence of the power of human spirit and ingenuity. Half of these countries had blackout and brownout on an ongoing basis right through the '80's and 90's when fuel was givaway in the developed nations. We will leave aside the fact that many of these nations sit on the south Asian land mass or Africa, which EXPORTS oil and natural gas while the locals sit in the dark (there is a reason that developed nations went to natural gas for electric power production)
On and on the idiocy goes....as I sit writing this post, the local TV news in Louisville is interviewing people about the effect of the gasoline price....a restaurant owner is saying that he has had to raise prices due to the cost of food deliveries to his restaurant going up....."and sure, it's part of the run up in gasoline....", he says. (!!!) Are food delivery trucks back to running on gasoline now....?
(When I was in the auto service trade, we serviced food delivery trucks, tires oil changes etc., and everyone I was was running Diesel fuel)
Anytime you have a price move in anything, it goes with out saying that every grafter in the country will use it as an excuse to try to tack on and ride the coattails....they know that most Americans have no idea what kind of fuel is used in trucks, trains, barges, tractor trailers, and cargo aircraft....
and the band plays on.....
RC
Remember, we are only one cubic mile from freedom
edit: Accidental double post-second one edited out!
Doubling the price of crude oil resulted in a 3% decrease in demand, how shocking!
that was the 3% that poorer countries couldn't afford...