Gulf Stream, PrisonerX could you post a link to the views of the flow and such you follow?

TIA

Here is a link to the fourth page of the current thread on the site.

http://www.climatepatrol.com/forum/10/2484/pg4/index.php

someone for illustration purposes posted an old map and the way the current view looks. Dramatic difference. The first page on this thread goes back to into March April and the last couple of pages are current. The page I am giving you is just a couple of days old.

One of the site admins says he is trying to build a database of the buoys. That will be terrific if he can pull it off.

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About the possible shutdown of the Gulf Stream.

There's been lots of talk about that happening, but recall that the Gulf Stream is a wind driven current, the result of wind patterns which force water toward the west in mid-ocean of the Northern Hemisphere. The water piles up against the continents and then flows northwards. As it does so, the Coriolis Effect causes the flow to turn toward the east. The same sort of wind driven current is evident in the Western Pacific, the Kuroshio Current.

That said, the other part of the problem often mentioned is that of the Thermohaline Circulation (THC). The Gulf Stream branches as it crosses the mid-Atlantic, most of it flowing back toward the South. The North Atlantic Drift Current brings some of the Gulf Stream waters toward the north of Europe, thence continues as the Norwegian Current flowing westward toward the Greenland and Labrador Seas, cooling enough along the way to sink to the bottom of the Atlantic.

http://www.meer.org/M10.htm

Were the THC to stop, Europe would be much colder. This is thought to have happened during the Younger Dryas and also during an event about 8200 years ago. Some models used to study climate change have suggested that the THC might slow or shutdown due to increased greenhouse gases. Others model experiments have suggested that warming from increasing greenhouse gases will counteract the cooling which might otherwise result from a shutdown of the THC.

The THC has been seen to vary over time, perhaps as part of a natural internal oscillation of the Earth's oceans. There was a partial shutdown noted in the Greenland Sea during the early 1980's, which MAY have been associated with the colder winters seen in North America and Europe of that period. It's reasonable to expect a return of such conditions, but, whether the result will be a permanent cooling, ie., another Ice Age is subject of considerable question.

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You are correct the Gulf Stream and THC are not the same. Nice data site though. Went back to 2003. Most noticable were warm water surface flows that developed throughout the Atlantic Basin in 2006 that had not been there before. Most notable, a sigificant one that developed north south at 51-52 w long. in December 2006:

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_061216_vel.gif

compare with 2005:

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_051214_vel.gif

Most Recent

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_070523_vel.gif

A year ago

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/gulf_060523_vel.gif

All Data:

http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/gif/

THC vs The Gulf Stream

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/10/carl-wunsch-the-ec...

Is it possible that the unusually warm winter and hot spring have accelerated ice melt in the Arctic thus causing the cooling in the Atlantic?

The spring weather pattern seems to be the same as last year; hot April followed by a cooler wetter May. If the pattern holds then we will see a change to drier hotter (20c+) weather during June, very hot (30c+) in July followed by a wetter cooler August and an Indian summer in the Autumn.

This hotter then cooler pattern would seem like a natural reaction to a hotter climate; heat melts ice, ice melt cools Atlantic, Europe receives cooler weather, cycle repeats.

A layman's view.

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Damn it! That is the major flaw in my plan to relocate to mainland Europe from the UK, if the Gulf Stream slows or stops. Not a total NAFU, but a serious one non-the-less.

My rationalisation at the time was that warming would make southern Europe too hot and cooling would make northern Europe too cold, the mixture of the two would make somewhere in the middle more or less unchanged. It seemed sensible to hedge my bets and go for the area in the middle with the possibility of ending up with either a Mediterranean, Nordic or Russian type climate. All obviously survivable, even if some more preferable than others.

It will be both interesting and scary to see where this goes.

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