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oilmanbob on June 1, 2007 - 9:24am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

fireangel:
That's an interesting fantasy, Tom Cruise acting like Perry Mason to force Rex Tillerson to admit we are past peak oil. But its a fantasy. What you fail to realise is that the Exxon-Mobil guys actually believe their own stuff, and to a certain extent they are right. It depends purely on your definition of oil, which they keep changing. But if you include bitumen and kerogen (tar sands and oil shale) we've got enough to last through my grandchildren's lifetimes, and my son isn't married yet.
But it isn't going to be cheap enough to use wastefully in internal combustion engines. At $100,000 per level barrel of syncrude production capital investment, plus $20-$30 bbl. production costs, I suspect light, sweet crude will have to be in the $200/bbl range for the economics to work.

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fireangel on June 1, 2007 - 9:40am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

"That's an interesting fantasy"
Hey that is a more palatable choice than facing the crap our politicians are doing. No?

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oilmanbob on June 1, 2007 - 10:00am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

fireangel:

I'm with you on the politics of oil depletion. But my problem is with desseminating a work of fiction using a real live person as a character on this site unless it is clearly labeled as a fiction. We've already got plenty of enemies who label us as nuts, and I can see in my mind a talking head or propogandist for the corporatocracy like Glenn Beck totally warping the point made by that fiction to discredit us, calling us liars and frauds. They've already started by labeling us peakists and cultists.

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budr on June 1, 2007 - 10:47am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I enjoyed fireangels fiction. Got to throw in a bit of humor now and then. WRT to the Exxon (and CERA etc...) drinking their own kool aid, I think you are right. You probably have to drink it, or hop into the peak oil closet, if you are going to go very far in these organizations. And the same applies to americans in general -- the vast majority haven't a clue, and those that do frequently love that tropical punch flavor.

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fireangel on June 1, 2007 - 11:09am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

oilmanbob:
This is on drumbeat isnt it? Doesnt anything go here? Now if it was an official oildrum post your concerns may be warranted.
I think the pain of peak oil acceptance is so high that a little humor may help. JMHO.

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oilmanbob on June 1, 2007 - 11:22am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Budr, I agree we need humor, especially to offset the Spinners of the Webs of Doom that so often frequent this blog, I'm just urging caution, particularly at the top post.
As far as drinking the KoolAid, I knew the guy who mixed up the first batch in British Guiana then slugged it down. His best friend in High School was my best friend's older brother, plus his youngest sister was in my elementary school class at Edgar Allen Poe. Spooky!

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