For me, Robert, it just boggles the mind that "This Week in Petroleum" (gasoline section) shows prices were almost 27 cents higher than a year ago (6/4/07) and here's the demand graph.

As I've said before — and I've been criticized for saying it — this is not the way they teach it in Econ 101.

Prices go up, and Americans put the pedal to the metal... So if we really do have shortfalls, these so-called "consumers" are going to go looking for someone to blame. It won't be themselves.

best,

Dave

One way to explain it--prices are up because of a demand curve shift, not because of a supply curve shift. That's the econ 101 explanation. We can get to marginal elasticities in a later course.....

That's possible.

I think it is partly because gasoline has been priced quite a bit below its inherent value. This is because the retailing of gasoline is hyper-competative. In most places there are dozens of nearby gasoline retailers all selling the exact same product and all advertising their prices on big signs for all to see. The result is that gas is very cheap relative to what it can do for you. Now that the price is rising, people complain because they were used to something cheaper, but it is still a bargain.

Peaople who use gasoline on a discretionary basis mostly (like for vacations, joy-riding etc) recognize that its still a bargain and aren't inclined to cut back. To the extent that higher gas prices cause some people to use less, it makes the use more enjoyable for those who continue to use (by reducing congestion).

People who have put their self in a position where they are required to use substantial amounts of gasoline just to accomplish the daily necessities of life are going to be squeezed, but can't give up the gasoline so they have to give up something else.

How all this summer fun is going to run? The standard response to blame Oil has been seen but there are a lot of people out there that don't read TOD that will start looking beyond to more realistic answers,... maybe.

My thought is that I would like this to happen gradually. I think that if the realization that there is more to prices, than gouging and lack of diligence, comes at too swift a rate then the wheels could come off the financial market cart and we could all be suddenly sitting in shit creek after breaking through the bridge of orderly conduct. (well that should bring the literati after me with pitchforks and rusty shovels). Anyway is our course to publish or not to publish, is it wiser to sit quiet pen on desk or take up electric publishing and disseminate widely? To warn or not to warn, that is the question. (Oh my they will beat me badly now). Rate of change laddies, rate of change what is the appropriate rate of public awarness change?

CrystalRadio, publish away, unless you've got the nation's attention somehow, you're not going to get a very wide audience. The way I see it, TOD and others have been announcing this with trumpets for years. And no visible change in the tides of public opnion.

Now if we could get Paris Hilton to start giving press conferences on peak oil... But I do think it would behoove all of us to warn our families, friends, etc, who are likely to be most impacted.

Hi sylviah,

I feel awareness in groups comes suddenly like a fire does once the kindling temperature is reached . I think with what has been happening through TOD's efforts along with these price hikes we could be getting to that point. (Remember 1973?) Once the fire starts is it controllable? Publish yes, but what? We don't want to be shouting fire in this crowded auditorium once the fire starts. Maybe more stories along the line of 'This way to the exit ladies and gentlemen'?

One hobby horse I have been riding, where the ecological bunch are missing it,is that it has emphasized the blood sweat and tears and not really touched what the upside of change might be. How about Westexas's ELP ideas with the codicil of 'and Enjoy it', because there will have to be enjoyment or that's it, enter Conan.

Publish yes, but what?

I am trying to "pre-position ideas".

http://www.lightrailnow.org/features/f_lrt_2006-05a.htm

http://www.lightrailnow.org/features/f_lrt_2007-04a.htm

Perhaps we will start mitigation beforehand, but we may only react "after the fact".

I want viable concepts to be scattered about that desperate people can grasp, instead of corn ethanol, sarconol and snake oil.

Best Hopes,

Alan

Hi Alan,

'publish yes, but what?'

I bought a nuke of bees the other day and today I put them into a hive ... those guys are fun (as long as you can keep them from 'dieoff') I once caught a swarm and looked like those pictures you see of beekeepers with beards and hair made of bees. Anyway maybe there is a real beekeeper on site that knows the stuff who could give a primer about bee keeping post P.O.?

Have Fun,

CR

After-thought ... maybe TOD could make a list of articles that would be good P.O. material and those who have the info could write them...start with of course Bee Keeping. :>)

I think Eric Blair said he keeps bees.. It was somebody who said that their hives only work organic crops, and are apparently healthy and fine. (Maybe a month ago or more)

Bob Fiske

Alan, I agree. Best to get some ideas for the MSM to grab ahold of.
Add to that list less than 6x per week mail service. 3 x?

Mail Service 3x/week when postal person has to drive more than, say, 8 miles for the daily route and 6x/week for walking routes and <8 mile routes. Perhaps 5x/week for routes in the 8.1 to 12 mile range.

An incentive to move into TOD ! And no energy is really saved by reducing walking routes. EV Postal Vehicles can work well for short routes with existing lead-acid batteries (perhaps with a PV Panel roof to self charge much of the time).

And that way I get to keep my 6x/week service (only back these last 4 months in New Orleans).

Good Idea,

Alan

I also added to my "Saudi Arabia has Peaked..." list the suggestion made by another TODer.

For six years, any car that meets Japanese or EU standards for safety and pollution AND gets x1.5 (50% better) mileage than that years CAFE can be sold in the US.

Re: shift in the demand curve

We can get to marginal elasticities in a later course  


Shift to the Right
Shifts in the Demand Curve

When there is a change in an influencing factor other than price, there may be a shift in the demand curve to the left or to the right, as the quantity demanded increases or decreases at a given price. For example, if there is a positive news report about the product, the quantity demanded at each price may increase...

I may have missed that positive news report about oil and gasoline, can somebody fill me in?

Have a good one,

Dave

I may have missed that positive news report about oil and gasoline, can somebody fill me in ?

Well, there was the new Expedition commercial that touted how fast one could load the family + luggage for an "outing" whilst their hapless neighbors were still packing/cramming their minivan.

If one looked at the marginal cost of operation between an Expedition and a minivan, the cost of that time saved should be well in excess of $10,000/hour.

And of course, Hummers were explicitly designed to appeal to the reptile brain, which operates under different demand curves (eat or be eaten).

Let us not forget the mother who dropped off Johnny at a new school in a Hummer and the other kids muttered "How cool" as Johnny confidently strode in the school door with his Hummer status.

Such is the power of advertising.

Best Hopes for Mammal Brain Thinking,

Alan

MTBE-free gasoline just tastes better! But seriously, population growth, economic growth, and growing numbers of automobiles/trucks/etc all act to shift the aggregate demand curve. That would account for higher prices with higher demand, especially if the supply curve is steep (relatively inelastic). As long as supply grows, we shouldn't expect to see "demand destruction" in the aggregate, because we have been seeing demand growth pushing up prices. Aggregate demand destruction comes (has come, will come?) with shrinking supply, and we will know it when we see it, because consumption will be lower and prices will be moooocho higher. Unless b.cole is right.....hah.

I think of it this way: the aggregate demand curve is just the sum of all of the household demand curves in the country. Unfortunately, it's a form of average, in that you can't see the demand curves of the vast lower and middle classes separated from the demand curve for the wealthier classes. I suspect that for the top and bottom of the income spectrum, the demand curves are basically vertical. The poor have very little opportunity to change their consumption and for the wealthy gas is too cheap to think about.

That leaves the middle of the income spectrum that can change their demand. Unfortunately, that portion of the population has been shrinking over time, and I suspect their changes in consumption are simply being drowned out by increasing populations of lower income people and the wealthy who are ignoring the prices. We either need more time for the middle class to make adjustments, or higher prices to force the lower income population to stop driving.

The big reduction I expect to see is in the commercial sector. Eventually the reduction in construction will result in less consumption for business. I don't think most people understand how much of a bubble we've had in real estate. We need far more builders, lenders, and real estate agents to lose their jobs before we clear out this overhang. Of course, that probably means a recession as well, as in the early 70s. The stagflation is so painfully obvious now, it's a wonder the word isn't on the front pages of the papers.

It's true that the poor have very little opportunity to change their consumption in the short run, but they have plenty of ways to change it in the medium term: They can move closer to work, get a job closer to home, start carpooling, start bicycling to work, etc.

For these changes to get made, though, gas prices need to stay high long enough for these changes to make sense. A year might be the relevant period for signing a new lease.

That seems right, in general. But in my neighborhood construction projects continue and some are accelerating their plans. One large, mixed use project that was to be phased is going ahead all at once:

http://www.saulcenters.com/properties-metro/va/clarendon/index.htm

Another, that is currently held up by NIMBY lawsuits will include a lot of affordable housing (60% of median income qualify) within 2 blocks of metro

http://www.1bc.org/dp_template.html

Other developments are also going forwarded and more in the hopper waiting approvals. I hear similar things from other localities that have transit access and established plans for walkability.

It's amazing given the increase in construction costs, but that's what is happening so far in areas like where I live it seems.

More people moving from car dependent areas to places like this would affect the elasticity of demand over the long term.

As biofuels get added to the mix mpg goes down(less bang for the buck!).ie. higher demand for same miles driven.It would interesting to see stats on miles driven.

Cheers.

If you read my article Unhappy Motoring, you will see that I discuss miles driven and touch on the ethanol explanation. There are claims of fewer miles driven.

best wishes,

Dave

Well, 27 cents is not much higher than one year ago, though I confess I would expect the cumulative effect of higher prices over the last several to depress gasoline demand.

A few q's for RR or anyone: There are 200,000 gasoline stations in the US (quick and dirty research, includes con. stores which sell retail gasoline). Is the capacity of these 200,000 stations included in inventory data?

Are the gasoline inventory figures an actual count, or derived from seasonally adjusted sampling? Have there been any changes in the sampling techniques? Methods of computation? Large budget cutbacks which might decrease accuracy of sampling or polling?

Or, has the sampling been improved lately, and now we have better grip on reality than last year?

The reason I ask these q's is that in one stage of my somewhat doleful career, I worked with federal figs constantly. To the point of calling up mid-level fed staffers and "getting the poop." Deep in the bowels of the BLS or elsewhere.

When the numbers look wacky, it often was a collection glitch, not a real world glitch.

The way this year gasoline inventories shot up far above norms, then shot down below norms, and now are rebounding sharply looks like a seasonal adjustment factor, or sampling assumption, which has gotten out of whack. I am not saying that is a fact. I am only asking.

I believe the weekly data from DOE comes from actual data supplied by a sample of refiners. We used to get them from our domestic affiliate for our system the day before the report. If you knew other players in the game who had similar info from their own systems, you could make a slightly educated guess a little early. But in reality, the week to week swings are really pretty trivial volumes (1-2% of the total in primary storage. Secondary/tertiary/auto tanks have quite a lot of stock as well).

Longer term info is based on data supplied by all the players added up IIRC. If you are really interested, I'm pretty sure DOE has their methodology described somewhere in that huge website. I doubt there has been any improvement in data collection. Still, if you are trying to see the forest, look at the rolling 4 week averages. Tends to take some of the noise out.

These swings are not that unusual compared to other periods. We just don't have as much slack in the system anymore to catch up quickly.

Also, keep in mind we didn't really "shoot up far above norms". We were a few million bbls high then over shot a little low. At 10 MMBD production +imports, the swing is no more than 3-4 days production. And the variation to the "5 year band is less than 1 day's production.

My gut is that the warm Dec we had led to heating oil prices crashing down dragging crude with it. OPEC cut production and actually made the cuts instead of lying which was the historical norm. Refiners starting making/tanking gas for spring since heat demand was low (shifted production into spring mode). Then a normal to cold Jan came and drew heating oil stocks. They switched back to making heat and then the shutdown season hit. The excess gas piling up faded away as a result.

Right now, we're building gas stocks even with lower than usual refinery % operated. That's bearish for price and futures have dropped from $2.4 (June contract in late May) to sub $2.2 (July contract). Players are assuming that if refiners can keep up with only 90% operating, when we gat back to a normal 95%+ in summer, supply will surge. We'll see.

Prices go up, and Americans put the pedal to the metal... So if we really do have shortfalls, these so-called "consumers" are going to go looking for someone to blame. It won't be themselves.

I think that a mentality takes hold when the situation is hopeless. When the future is bright and there is hope, everything is measured and planned. When it's dark with little hope, people live for the day. There's no other way to explain US spending (and borrowing) habits.

When there's a plan and hope and a reason to sacrifice, people do it and have done it. No one's providing that these days, not here, not yet. Warning about peak oil and other calamities on the horizon, although a crucial first step, doesn't do it. There has got to be a political movement that takes these issues up and organizes people to deal with them.

Re: live for the day

I agree. The best explanation for all this is lies in the psychology of groups under threat. Americans are partying like its 1999 (to quote the musician/analyst Prince).

The best explanation for all this is lies in the psychology of groups under threat.

Why?

The vast majority of Americans don't think they're under threat from peak oil - they probably don't think about it at all - so it doesn't make sense to analyze them as if they did. You appear to be assuming that most people have seen and have believed the same information you have, which is almost certainly not true.

The behaviour of American oil consumers is verrry simple to explain: they don't see a peak oil threat, so they don't see a reason to stop consuming.

(Whether they're right is another matter...)

There is thing, you may have even heard of it, called the unconscious.

Dave

A lot of people know things are going very poorly. They are angry. They don't know at who. So they do retail therapy. Go shopping.

What else are they going to do? Save? Work harder? No, they are building up fat because they sense the sky is falling. You only go around once. Grab for all the gusto. Etc....

cfm in Gray, ME

Generally income elasticity is much larger than price elasticity. Since the economy grows each year, it takes more and more price to keep demand down.

GDP growth is not mirrored by average wages, which according to the New York Times (here), were an inflation-adjusted $17.44/hour in February and are now falling. In late 2001, the average wage was $17.24 (again, adjusted). Each gallon of gasoline bought today as opposed to in 2001 is obviously costing people money. Yet they buy more and more. How can this go on?

Hourly wages for the rank and file — who make up about four-fifths of the work force — rose 6 cents in May, to $17.30. But this increase has been swallowed by inflation, according to economists’ projections of inflation rates for May.

After peaking in February at an inflation-adjusted $17.44, the real average hourly wage has begun falling again, as it did from 2003 to 2005. In fact, the current economic expansion, which began in late 2001, has had some of the weakest wage growth of any modern expansion. In December 2001, the average real hourly wage for workers was $17.24.

Stagnant wage growth has not stopped consumers from spending, and that spending is helping to keep the labor market going strong, economists said.

I think it is due to easily available credit and people's apparent willingness to accrue (unsustainable) debt. The credit debt is not "real money". Only the minimum payment is "real money". And since I am poor, I am only too aware of the difference.

Of course, I am dealing with the short run, as the economists say.

Does anyone have a graph that plots crude oil prices, gas prices and household debt about 10 years back? Interested to see the results.

Here's an alternative explanation that draws from Von Mises:

People arrange their wants on a scale in order of preference with the most desired things being at the top of the list and those less desired being lower on the list. For each thing higher on the scale of wants they would prefer it to something lower on the scale. THe inter-meshing of these scales of desires is what causes trade to happen. A baker has too much bread and wants bread less than the shoemaker wants it so they trade, etc. The scale is not static though and changes regularly in regard to satiation of wants, changing conditions, etc. More about this kind of reasoning over here.

So anyway, most people prefer driving to work over eating anything at all besides top ramen and having zero entertainment besides watching tv. People will live in their cars or simple temporary shelters next to walmart before they give up driving. Most suburban tract homes and neighborhoods are unlivable without cars, they might as well be located in the middle of the Sahara for most people if they couldn't drive to them.

abelardlindsay

I had a short conversation with a woman with a Winebago-type vehicle at a barbeque joint last summer. She and her husband were waiting for the social security check to get fuel to move. Since the government doesn't include fuel price inflation in the consumer price index, I'm sure they are screwed even worse today. Wonderful life, living in a cheap trailer park in a bad part of Houston.

At any rate, I'm not sure its a concious choice being made by folks. Right now GMAC and Ford Motor Credit are offering a $5,000 rebate to anyone who purchases a gas guzzler, no matter your credit status or income. For Joe Sixpack, who is already over his head in debt, it looks like a way to pay the light bill and have a sexy truck. It doesn't look like the trap closing a little tighter. Its the same with the suburban house. The fact that both adult members of the house have to stay employed and that one or both of them may have a 20 or 30 mile commute doesn't enter in to the purchase decision-its a new, shiny house and the kids can go to an all white school district. After a year or two the 2nd mortgage as an ATM sets in, and the poor slobs are swallowed by debts.
What I'm saying is that its a series of impulse decisions and bad judgements. Television is their only news source, and they flip the channel at any news that doesn't feature Paris Hilton. They get home after 3 hours of commuting and 9 hours of work, dealing with the kids and mowing the grass at the McMansion and a "reality show" helps 'em relax, and Glenn Beck helps 'em hate and focus blame on everyone but their own poor decisions. Their parents aren't any help, their own poor decisions put them in a RV without the funds to drive away until the social security check arrives.
Aristotle said 2500 years ago that most people were natural slaves. He thought that moderation in all things was the key to freedom. Its an excellent ideal, but I've never figured out how to moderate-with me its William Blake's "Too much, or not enough" and "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom" (these are some of the proverbs of hell from The Marriage of Heaven and Hell).
I do know that for my own personal peace I have to be kind and compassionate to people, and since I'm blessed with a brain (or maybe cursed), some small measure of articulateness, and a f@#kin' guilty liberal consience, try to be politicially and socially active. Its probably just pissing into the wind, oh well.

Lose the liberal conscience, bob, it's just a genetic throwback to when humans lived in small inter-related bands. The people out there are not your brothers.

Interesting comments above about people subconsciously putting on fat because they think hard times are coming. There's a definite 'end of empire' feel about. Perfect alibi for a lard butt like me!

I just blame the food in New Orleans :-)

If I did not walk so much, it would get out of control !

Best Hopes for good walking weather this summer :-)

Alan

Not just as another Bob, but I have to say we certainly are brothers. To counter Alan's take on it, I think it pays to treat others as 'family', to what degree you can. It may be good for them, it certainly is good for yourself. As Twain said, "Always tell the truth. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."

Or Kevin Kline in Silverado.. (With Scott Glen)

"..Offend anybody lately?

Not for five years.

- Jefferson City?
- No. Leavenworth.

Never been in there.

They jumped you
out of the blue?

I had to get up anyway.

Me, I'm riding along
minding my own business.

Four cowboys come by, and we decide
to ride together. Friendly as can be.

I figure you should approach life like
everybody's your friend or nobody is.

Don't make much difference.

Suddenly everybody's
pointing their gun but me.

Guess they admired my horse.

Looks like that's not all
they admired.

Yep. My whole rig.

I don't care much about the rest...

but I surely will miss
that bay.

'Running on Empty' might describe the American Consumer, who accounts for about 70% of the US economy.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/IF09Dj01.html

Above is a link to a short read by Max Fraad Wolff describing the recent state of the American Consumer. It is not a rosy picture and shows among other things: 1) Real and disposable personal income is falling while personal spending is still rising.
2) US GDP growth flat to possible recessionary.
3) Disposable personal income vs personal outlays were negative 132.8 billion in April - Negative 67.8 billion in March. The problem of more borrowing? Or, do these numbers show that the high end of consumers are distorting the picture? Nettlesome...
4) April new housing report shows 10.6% year over year sales decline and a 6.5 month inventory backlog. Decline in median home price year over year 11%. The housing sector since 2001 accounted for 20-35% (I know, a large spread) of employment growth and loaned Americans hundreds of billions of dollars for discretionary spending.

IMHO - While the term 'American Consumer' takes in a wide spectrum of people with an equally wide distribution of incomes and expenditures one has to wonder when the low end of the spectrum will begin to be priced out of the gasoline market...since we all presumeably need an address to obtain a drivers license and we all must eat and bathe occasionally. Another recent economic survey of American Consumers (appeared in my local newspaper) has shown that contrary to popular belief, the 'discretionary spening' mentioned above has been used primarily on medical emergencies, emergency household repairs, emergency vehicle repairs and other real needs vs the common myth that most home mortgage borrowing goes to purchase yachts or other luxury items. Common sense, which in no way resembles economic reality, is telling me that the low end of the spectrum of American Consumers is going to be pinched very hard and very soon.