Moisturizer and Shoes? Did you think I was talking about boutique shoppers? Frankly, my own examples replaced sexism with classism, but just to make the point that 'shopping' doesn't mean carrying cute little bags around the Galleria. The comment that consumerism was a result of womens' lib just seemed hilariously blinded to the great marketing targets that are out there.. so since this is a fairly male site, albeit a reasonably intelligent one, that perspective looked a lot like a bit of sloppy police work.

I do notice a lot of things I think are actual distinctions between men and women.. and there are certainly women who like to go shopping, but I don't really see that cliche' as a useful broad brush (no pun) to paint with.

Bob

A basement apartement, attractive women AND a whole load of hi-tech gadgetry, at the very least. I tried "Magic: The Gathering" when I was young, and let me tell you, men are very much susceptible to the shopping urge.

Men becoming Women?

Well, there's a market there, too. In fact, Gay men have, as a demographic anyway, a great amount of purchasing power, though I don't see them as 'becoming Women'. They're just gay men.

When I mentioned vanity products, I was thinking about Viagra, Bald-spot Spraypaints, Big Trucks. Soap I see as an essential, not a frill. And to keep with my 'Just plain guys' Demographic, then shopping for Leisure could be either the Sports Authority Jersey Aisle or the Hooters LapDanceteria. Mine, true to the spirit of the site is SuperbrightLEDs~dot~com or the Altenergy Store.. maybe Amazon for the odd DVD.

Good luck with the range of women in your world. It's reminding me of Westchester county. Yeeach!

Bob

Men do their leisure shopping at Home Depot :-).

There are a lot more of us women here than you realize.

And as for shopping: of course women shop more! Who does the overwhelming majority of family grocery shopping, kids clothes shopping, purchasing birthday/wedding/ect. gifts for friends and family. Yes, some women think shopping is fun, but most of what they buy is at least somewhat useful. Guys buy big expensive things that often are purely entertainment (boats, jetskis, freakin' World of Warcraft junk).

I have met a great many men who could be quite happy and fulfilled living in a basement apartment providing they had access to all the attractive women they desired. I have yet to meet a single female who would call living in a dump while having access to attractive poor males a dream existence.

You don't even want to speculate on what I think of that comment...

To continue in the sexist thread, isn't it basically 99% guys on this site? Only Leanan and Gail come to mind from the fairer sex. That would imply a difference between the sexes, in general, in how much amusement or intellectual satisfaction
one would gain from such a website.

Most women don't have time to hang out here, between work and family responsibilities. Younger men are helping more with household chores/child rearing, but the bulk is still done by women on top of work.
Few have jobs that allow for internet surfing (think nurses & teachers can surf at work?)

By "Feminization" you would mean the desire to by things simply to have them? The so called nesting instinct? Sure, I believe that.

I object to you labeling it as "Feminization". Just because some hollywood writer did that doesn't mean he knows the 1st thing about anthropology.

Here is some food for thought.... common believe held is that women choose a man who will support and protect them. Chimpy's common mantra of "More Energy == More Fitness == More chance to score some poontang". Yet Diamond has stats in 3rd Chimpanzee that shows that something like 25% of all babies out there are being raised by a man that thinks they are his but are not. Why would women cheat to such a high degree? Obviously they picked the man they thought would be best to raise their children why didn't they mate with that one?

One theory holds that women are sexually attracted at a basic pheremonal level to men that will produce babies with strong immune systems. (There was a study linking which man women thought smelled 'sexy' and immune system response... I just forget where you can dig it up) So the forebrain of said woman might be picking a man based on social fitness but her hindbrain (or gonads even) is picking a man based on immune systems genetics. Classic cognotive dissonance and a reason to cheat on ones socially recognized mate and have a kid belonging to another male. I can get behind a theory like this as smell is the only sense that goes straight to the brain without preprocessing... smell is powerful on a subconscious level.

Or it could all be hooey and we have no idea why we act the way we do.

But I'm sure as heck not going to make claims on human behaviour based on the rant of a fictional lunatic suffering from multiple personality disorder.... especially not from the sociopathic personality.