Saildog wrote:

Had governments done their job, they would have abolished income taxes in favour of energy taxes and forced investment in these solutions. ...We didn't because of the great 20th century divide between Marxism and capitalism ... and its very deep aversion to intervention from government of any kind.

I agree. Indulging in a little futurism:

* there will be no significant action until an obvious energy crisis hits.

* when the crisis hits, the US will try to get the Market to fix the problem (with tax incentives).

* European countries are more likely to take strong collective actions (AKA government intervention).

In Europe, governments will be able to direct scarce liquid energy resources to where they are most needed (agriculture, mass transit, medical, ...). In the US, energy will flow to where the money is, so look for class divides to increase.

This has me wondering about the electric grid: is it possible to ration electricity? (other than with price). As people substitute electricity for liquid fuel, electricity demand could surge (think plug-in hybrid cars).

AFAIK, the only way to ration electricity is with rolling blackouts to selected neighborhoods.

Don't try to predict the future. Get ready for it.

I posted part of this on another page.

One of my thoughts is that oil price will only go a bit higher then it is now, maybe $90 crude.
Then unemployment increases about 3 percent a year.
Unemployed don’t use as much oil per lack of income.
So in ten years, unemployment would only be about 35 % .
In 20 years about 65 % and so on.
Unemployment is not a problem because Bush needs cannon fodder.

So , no problem, we can have business as usual as long as you or I are not one of the unemployed.
I am preparing to be unemployed.

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DocScience
http://www.angelfire.com/in/Gilbert1/grid.html

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