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How is the delivered temp of the gasoline going to reach the air temperature??? It's delivered in huge tanker trucks, and often IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT! Even if the tanker truck has been sitting in 100 degree sunshine for a few hours I sincerely doubt the temp of the gasoline inside the truck would rise by more than a few degrees. And the temps from wherever it came from before it hit the tanker truck are certainly stable due to the volume of whatever it's pumped from.
I still say it's trivial to find out the truth. Pump some gas into something when it's 100 degrees outside and stick a thermometer in the liquid. Do the same thing when it's zero outside. Repeat in a few different locations. Then we'd know.
jbunt
I retired from a large petroleum marketer. During a year, we averaged about $1 million a month in profits from hot gas. Zero during the winter and more during the summer to average $12 million year. We are located in the Southwest. When it is 100 degrees out, the fuel coming out of the refinery that we load is very hot. So, in a typically good transaction, our truck will load and pay for 7,200 temperature corrected gallons gallons and the actual physical quantity will be 7,500 gallons. That is 300 free gallons, and since taxes are paid at the rack (started about 10 years ago to prevent tax cheating), no federal or state taxes on the 300 gallons. The retail pump price charges both for the product and for the taxes, which taxes do not have to be paid because they were already paid at the rack. So at $3 gallon, we make an additional $900 or $.125 cents/gallon "extra" on each of the 7,200 gallons. And, most of the reason is that the 75 degree gallons, which are put in the underground tank, hold much of that temperature until sold. At a large volume station, it is likely that the fuel is sold within 24 hours.
Do you know the temperature that the fuel comes out of a refinery? I do not know such things, but I think that the temperature that we get with our purchase varies by the ambient temperature of the air, e.g., a 100 degree day, and the amount of time between the refinery run and our purchase. While working, I never did a study, but I think that the anecdotal comments were that fuel coming from a refiner's racks could be hotter than fuel coming from pipeline terminal racks.
So, in a typically good transaction, our truck will load and pay for 7,200 temperature corrected gallons gallons and the actual physical quantity will be 7,500 gallons.
That's a difference of 4%, meaning you would have been getting fuel at over 120 degrees F. I won't say your recollection is incorrect, but that would have been a very, very odd situation. A blender who is making gasoline at 120 degrees is losing much more by the inability to put butane in there than you would be gaining with hot gas. But the NIST study certainly didn't find any temperatures in that neighborhood.
Wow. Maybe you ought to write us an article.
I just checked the temp in the tanks at the refinery where I work. Temp is 87F in one 84F in the other. These tanks are going to the onsite rack. This is a "Southwest refinery".