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In reference to which Roger?
A FEW THOUGHTS FROM THE IGNORANT IN A LESS THAN PERFECT WORLD
Reply to Prof. Goose
O.K., Let’s take her from the top.....first, the red flag waved in the face...
“ It has always seemed to me that one of the keys to the puzzle of why people don't understand the problems that peak oil and other sustainability issues present is a lack of understanding of measurement, pure innumeracy and/or a lack of understanding spatial/change functions--namely the meaning and implications of constant growth.”
Now we assume that folks who come here, at least a lot of them, actually must use math as a way to survive...investors and brokers and people who have spent years in the oil and gas industry actually finding and producing oil and gas would come to mind, also various branches of biology would come to mind....they have dealt with the power of exponents on a daily basis....are we to assume that they suffer terribly from “a lack of understanding of measurement, pure innumeracy and/or a lack of understanding spatial/change functions--namely the meaning and implications of constant growth.” I work with people in these professions...try telling even the most modest stock broker that “they can’t count” to their face...you might as well go ahead and slap them in the face.
These folks won’t give up clients easily, but I assure you that is about the fastest way to get off their client list!
“Now, for my sell of the Bartlett lecture, a real mainstay in the peak oil arsenal.”
If that’s actually true (I don’t really think so, or at least, I hope not) the peak arsenal badly needs some restocking.
Dr. Bartlett opens and closes his lecture with pretty much the same “tag line”:
They're all tied together. They're tied together by arithmetic, and the arithmetic isn't very difficult. What I hope to do is, I hope to be able to convince you that the greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function
I read the lecture because I do not have broadband or highspeed internet access, meaning the video would take forever to download. That’s interesting in and of itself.
I work in the media measurement industry as my paying profession. We did studies in the 1990’s of the rapid expansion of broadband, which was growing at an “exponential rate”, literally doubling in months, not years. Using the rate of growth as a guide, the U.S would be at 90% broadband internet access by 2002 or so. But it didn’t happen that way. Broadband internet in the U.S. in 2005 was only 19.2%, according to the OECD.
http://www.oecd.org/document/9/0,2340,en_2649_201185_37529673_1_1_1_1,00...
What went wrong? Well, the real world got in the way. Expanding broadband was easy in the high density city. It was cheap, lot’s of subscribers per pile of cable. But in less dense rural areas, the math changed. The capital costs grew. But the borrowing by the broadband companies was based on the early exponential growth numbers. The next time you wonder what happened to WorldCom and Global Crossing (and their investors), you can see the weakness of making projections based on “exponential” growth (I just checked, Global Crossiing is at $20 a share, down from $35 a share in 2004...with no earnings at this time)
You see, Professor Bartlett could have added to his
“greatest shortcoming of the human race the inability to understand the exponential function” the second greatest, the human races penchant for worshiping at the alter of the exponential function. Professor Bartlett, in his rarified environment, seems to discount this human weakness. I guard against it as best I can, and let me tell you why:
I first became aware of the “exponential function” at about 11 years of age. I had an uncle who is a bit of a dreamer, always hoping to break out of the world of manual labor, and have a bit of a future for his later years. He was easy prey for the lure of the “exponential function” a common tool used by get rich quick peddlers.
Have you not heard of the lure, the “miracle” of compound interest? The math is so simple! And astounding! If you put the “The miracle of compound interest” into Google, you will get thousands of hits, so popular is it....and most of the explanations will look about like this:
http://www.fool.co.uk/school/compound.htm
IT’S SO SIMPLE! So, why aren’t more folks rich? The real world gets in the way.
The power of “exponential function” relies absolutely on set amounts of money, set amounts of time. But in the real world, one seldom deals in assured set amounts. Sorry to tell you, but the real world is damm sloppy. My uncle found out. He set up an savings plan, in which X amount of money was deposited every week, and at X percent interest. He assured me he would be set for a comfy, maybe even early retirement. I saw him the other day, and he is still working for a living. What went wrong?
What changed? Everything, of course. The “set interest has since declined multiple times. The set amount of money he deposited....well, he got laid off from his job, so he had to suspend contributions “for a while”. The transmission blew on his truck while he was using it to earn income, so....he had to pull some money out. On and on. The real world got in the way. If we lived in Professor Bartlett's rarified world of set times and set amounts, there is no doubt of the mathematical purity of “exponential function”. But it useful in the real world only in so much as conditions do not change. And conditions do change.
Let’s take population growth rate. We all know it grows everywhere at about the same pace, right, and it’s growing everywhere right now like crazy! Is that really true?
Well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Population_growth_rate_world.PNG
One will notice that the high side is 3+% while most of the world is running at 1% or so.
But note the time scales that Professor Bartlett uses!
“Now, if this current modest 1.3% per year could continue, the world population would grow to a density of one person per square meter on the dry land surface of the earth in just 780 years, and the mass of people would equal the mass of the earth in just 2400 years.”
I don’t know about you, but I am not in the mood to make any projection on how much the human population growth may move around for 780 years on the short side, and 2400 years on the long side. For now, in the real world, “One factor that may ameliorate this effect is the rapid decline of population growth rate since the 1970s. In 1970, the population growth rate was 2.1%. By 2006, this had declined to 1.1%
Now, use your “exponential function” on that one....and we would see that if this trend continues forward for 780 years, it means the Earth will be essentially empty!
It is always fascinating that the “exponential function” worshipers only see exponents working in one direction. The other day, the U.S. stock market declined some 1.7%. Using the exponential function, I would recommend selling everything, because in less than 100 days, the stock market will be at 0.0.
We could go on and on and on pointing the utter futility of using set tables of “exponential functions” in a world that does not run like a clock on a set timetable in such a fashion. It is a classical “Newtonian” way of thinking, hoping for clockwork precision in a world that we know suffers from chaos, and from relativistic indeterminacy.
But just for fun, let’s look at one dear to our heart, oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ASPO_2004.png
O course, if we use the exponential function, set time, set increase, the way it should work, on the first half of the chart from 1930 to 1970, we would have went off the top of the chart in about 1982 at some 35 billion barrels a year plus and by now should be at some, what would you say, 100 billion barrels per year...? But there was a hitch in the giddy up there, wasn’t there? And remember, what the “miracle of compound interest” soothsayers will tell you, SMALL differences at the front end mean a lot down the road, right?
All of this is NOT to say there is not a serious resource problem, and it is showing every sign of getting more serious. It IS a warning to be very, very careful about thinking in straight line simplistic models. Historically, things have never been as simple as all that.
Oh, one more thing. If you are going to think in simplistic, Platonic perfection, please be a bit more discreet before you essentially accuse folks of
“a lack of understanding of measurement, pure innumeracy and/or a lack of understanding spatial/change functions”.
The great thing about being a part of the human race is that none of us have a monopoly on ignorance.
Roger Conner Jr.
Remember, we are only one cubic mile from freedom
Human nature is so human in its nature.
The biggest failure of Bartlett is to not understand Evolution (as it applies to the human brain and we the improbable freak survivors).
Roger,
You've just made my point.
You're way ahead of the game BECAUSE you understand the exponential function.
You have to understand the straight line functions before you can understand the complex ones.
There are many who do not even understand linear constant growth, who have not considered the implications of said growth, who do not listen when measurements or percentages are thrown around...because they do not understand them.
I see it every day in my teaching. I am trying to educate folks--and this lecture is a very helpful tool in their critical thinking toolbox.
That's my opinion. Is the world more complex than this? Sure. Is this one tool on the road to understanding the world in which we live?
Absolutely.
This set of posts has convinced me that I need to utilize (once again) the "script" promulgated a few months ago...I mean, really, to argue about the merits of Dr. Bartlett's presentation...thanks again, Prof G, for bringing it up for those who are unfamiliar.
O.K., that works for me...and I will take it simply that I was "oversensitive".
And of course, we are all prone to judging things by our own past experiences (i.e., mistakes :-), I will admit openly to having caught myself out on several occasions by underestimating the impact of the "complex functions"....hope triumphs over experience though, I keep telling myself that the next time, I am going to get it exactly right....presto, early retirement! :-)
Roger Conner Jr.
Remember, we are only one cubic mile from freedom
I was going to point out the irony in Roger's post, but Prof. Goose beat me to it.
One thing he did not point out was Roger's constant referral to the "real world" interfering. What Roger failed to realize was that Dr. Bartlett's entire statement addressed that fact. In fact that was the ENTIRE POINT!
We cannot have infinite growth because reality impinges.
I would also like to point out that Prof. Goose acknowledges a corollary to the proposal by stating that the world is complex. In other words, everything is interconnected. If it were not, then the laws of physics would not apply and we could indeed have infinite growth. Growth without constraint means infinite growth. What are those constraints? Why that would be what everyone calls "the real world."
It is that concept, the concept that our actions do not exist in a vacuum that is hard for most people to wrap their heads around. The economist wishes dearly that the average investor does not strain themselves to think about ALL the variables. He wants that investor to only think about one possible, very happy, outcome -- his swelling bank account. And it is this ability of humans to tune out the inconvenient truths of physics that enables us to do so many truly stupid and venal things. We are simplicity machines. We take complex situations and render them simple so that we might make the most rapid and most fortuitous decisions for ourselves. Now, this selfishness is great if you are out on the plains of the Serengeti wondering if you should run for the tree, then throw your spear at the lion, or throw the spear first and then run for the tree. But, for today's world where decisions can mean today we run a test on the turbine system in Reactor No. 4 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Station on April 25th, 1986. By the early morning hours, many decisions were made that led to an immense catastrophe. Had this only been the Serengeti, it would have meant one or maybe a few less hunter gatherers.
When the scientist tunes out variables, he or she is taking a calculated risk that their conclusions may not work in the "real world."
When Dr. Bartlett talks about the exponential function, he is stating a mere fact. It is only when people deny the impossibility of infinite growth that decisions are made that lead towards such interesting occasions as Chernobyl.
Yes, it is named after Wormwood. You may want to reference that in the Bible.
You are a smart mofo, but you fail to see that the difference is situational. The scientist making the big call can be (is?) the hunter in the Serengetti. Depends what hat he is wearing when he makes the call. Goes to human nature.
Peak Oil is not difficult to understand. One can teach it to a class of 12 year-olds. (At least, here, in Switzerland.) That is, the core concepts: finite resources, low hanging fruit, EROEI, up and down curves, etc., leaving economic aspects out, using clear vocabulary, no jargon, double-speak, and without the words ‘exponential function.’ etc. Perhaps a good intro. lesson plan would be children in an apple orchard (finite no of apples), picking eating and *selling* the apples in a closed environment. They all die, so that is perhaps not a good idea, as man can live without oil (the analogy isn’t good enough), so we let the children leave the orchard and go on to other things. Formalization and ‘mathematization’, universalist algorithms are not the only path to understanding. Other methods leave more room for complexity, alternatives, problems of measurement, the use of intuition and estimation, etc. Understanding that ‘rate’ can be fast ./. to ./. slow is good enough, really. And any human over 7 can grasp that. ‘Run to zero’ is understood in some terms at 18 months.
The difficulty lies in making people accept not only that ‘peak oil’ is ‘correct’ (an accurate description of a complex, physical reality/system) but that it is ‘true’ - has far reaching truth in the sense that it has applications and that it is ‘pertinent’ - applies to a span of time that includes the present and human action now. Blockage is due to: a) a natural reluctance and disquiet at contemplating such a far-reaching systemic upheaval; b) the fact that powerful interest groups spread disinformation (or are themselves confused), c) the fact that much of the public discourse and 'numbers' are utterly incomprehensible.
Beautiful. Noizette, my hat's off to you.
You misapprehend. This statement
is clearly not a projection. This wording is used to illustrate the absurdity of expecting the exponential increase in some quantity in the real world to continue: exactly what you think he has glossed over. In fact, this is a big theme throughout the lecture. He uses examples of taking the exponential function and running it forward to show that it can't continue.
I agree with Mister Bartlett. The conditions that change are historically revolving around fiat currency, which is head-butting itself against actual worth in an increasingly global cheap-oil/labor environment. Unbacked fiat-free-4-all everything for nothing is hitting it's peak and also those actual resources. It all boils down to the worth of currency beyond a faith based system that has rewrote the books on centralized planning through ongoing dillution. The real fiat string pullers know this, and do their best to divert the attention of us peons accordingly.
Fiat controls interest rates. And thus it rather secretly controls will, worth, wellbeing, and ultimately minds with it's unaccountable falseness...What happened to the reporting of M3? Why is that?
Your uncle is experiencing the wonderful world of centralized fiat planning - which of course, amounts to the same historical outcome in the end game blowoff of all fiat.
Enjoy your thoughts/comments, as well as many others on this long and winding induction of knowledge.
Takecare.