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Opps, Sorry.
This piece will be over here on Friday. :) Already in the works.
Hello Prof. Goose,
Greatly looking forward to this keypost. I am still trying to catch up on my reading on the great EB articles and links. The more I read about the fertilizer market, both synthetic and organic, the more alarmed I get for future generations to have an extremely tough, asphalt & concrete road to hoe. =(
This critical NPK supply chain closely parallels Peakoil, but started much earlier; metaphorically, we picked the easy fruit first even before the tree grew tall. Burning countless trees for potash, digging guano out of batcaves, or scraping off the bird poo residue on islands was ERoEI justifiable even before the advent of FFs, industrial mining, and the subsequent Haber-Bosch process for turning natgas into ammonia.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_n3_v50/ai_21031831/print
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Liebig and the Nineteenth Century Crisis of the Soil
In the 1820s and 1830s in Britain, and shortly afterwards in the other developing capitalist economies of Europe and North America, concern over the "worn-out soil" led to a phenomenal increase in the demand for fertilizer. The value of bone imports to Britain increased from [pounds]14,400 in 1823 to [pounds]254,600 in 1837. The first boat carrying Peruvian guano (the accumulated dung of sea birds) arrived in Liverpool in 1835; by 1841 1,700 tons were imported, and by 1847 some 220,000 tons arrived. So desperate were European farmers in this period that they raided the Napoleonic battlefields (Waterloo, Austerlitz) for bones to spread over their fields.
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I encourage all TODers to read the fertilizer snippets on Bart's EnergyBulletin.net.
I have posted much on Humanure Recycling before, and have been pissing in the backyard as much as possible to enrich the soil every since I encountered a few years ago the evolutionary reasons for 'pooping on the grass vs pooping on the rock-throne' in an article on Dieoff.com.
Yep, the tiny backyard is surrounded by a brick wall for privacy, and my longtime girlfriend [who owns the property, not me] has gradually gotten over her initial disgust, but refuses to join me in the activity or allow a compost pit. Her freakout denial runs deep, which breaks my heart: she refuses to discuss Peakoil, or even glance at my postings.
Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?
I have found you need to start from a different angle. Come at the subject obliquely. My wife is slowly becoming more interested in PO and the problems of resource use and population, but it has taken a couple of years. I try not to bug her about it, either... softly, softly, water wears down the rock eventually ;-)
"You can never solve a problem on the level on which it was created."
Albert Einstein
Hello NZSanctuary,
Thxs for responding. Brace yourself: a little more historical context on my Ass-Fault Wonderland, Thermo/Gene Collision situation on my local homefront [flamefront?]....
My intro to Peakoil was Jay's Dieoff in summer '03: I went from an energy article by Jane Byrant Quinn in a paper Newsweek mag that referenced a webpage that had a weak, but intriguing expose', but my eye caught the link to Dieoff in the corner...one click later my life had irrevocably changed as I had to actually go throw-up--> my mind was pre-wired to instantly grasp all the implications upon seeing the first Dieoff graphs. In short: I had taken the Red Pill like in the Matrix film. Elasped Full Conversion Time: ETA of approx 5 minutes.
I had read Paul Ehrlich's "Population Bomb" decades earlier as a 12 year old, but my still-developing mind must have subconciously processed this info, along with other newsbits for years, while I outwardly remained in what I now call my previous day-to-day 'Happy Idiot' mode. All my subsequent Dieoff exploration was not to mentally deny anything, but to merely reinforce my earlier, but hidden mindset.
Well, when my girlfriend suddenly saw a perfectly healthy guy suddenly retching his guts out into the toilet, she glanced at Dieoff on my computer, then did a little reading on her laptop, then nearly instantly went the opposite direction into severe fear & denial. Our relationship has never been the same since that fateful day; me--red pill, her-- a reinforced blue pill.
I often go into Zombie Mode, as she calls it, when I am deep in thought on a future posting concept, and she says it scares the Hell out of her when she encounters my thousand-yard stare. If I try to discuss Peakoil with her--'Talk to the Hand' or much worse.
I asked her to sell her house back in 2005, move to Cascadia, then I would rejoin her at some future time after my frail mom finally passed [that is if my girlfriend would still have me, but I was willing to take that chance]. No dice, she is locked into the 'psychology of prior investment'.
To show how diametrically opposed we are: we currently are renovating the inside of her house--carpets, curtains, paint, laminate flooring, etc, even though I pleaded with her to spend the money instead on energy-saving dual-pane glass, insulation, pot-belly wood-stove, etc. No way, Jose'.
Other examples:
I wanted to hoard the small woodpile for when we really needed it, but she went ahead anyway, burning it for the 'ambience' in our non-optimal regular fireplace.
I wanted to stockpile the old phonebooks for future toilet paper, but she ditched them behind my back.
I offered to buy a portable camping toilet that uses blue juice; that I would empty and clean it for both of us to save massive amounts of water. No deal--she loves flush toilets, over her dead body.
I am amazed I haven't lost my sense of humor, or worse, had a nervous breakdown; it is like our ying-yang harmony or feng-shui relationship/lifestyle is wildly out-of-whack to my mindset. I guess I now must be bi-polar-wired to handle the situation; I can easily flip from red pill to blue pill, or vice versa whenever required.
Or maybe I am just a Wild & Crazy Guy!
Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?
wow
you are far more hardcore than I - I would be happy just to get her to let me complete a sentence about the subject, let alone watch End of Suburbia
--
When no-one around you understands
start your own revolution
and cut out the middle man
Hiya Bob. Tough situation. Sounds like you're stuck between the proverbial rock... keeping a sense of humour is a good investment IMO ;-)
Interesting how many people here have used the red pill/blue pill anology. Good fiction parallels life, I guess.
"You can never solve a problem on the level on which it was created."
Albert Einstein
My SO is willing to follow my Peak Oil dreams, as long as they don't lower my salary or harm our property value. =(
She would freak out if I peed or pooped on the garden. We do separate household waste into two bags for the garden:
1. vegetable scraps from the kitchen
2. shredded envelopes promising 0% interest home loans
Not much we can do about plastic itself?
I sadly have to say that your experience is not unusual (as I was waiting for the reply in new window to open i noticed you commented more below and read that).
With my wife I think she must get it - she is very smart - but her visceral reaction and aggressive denial have rocked our already shaky marriage. I think the clash between her need to buy more stuff and what is necessary to prepare for Peak Oil is going to be resolved for her by more denial and the disconnect being covered with more spending... I've commented before on the Louis Vuitton purses - ugh!
I am banned from even discussing it in the house. Ironically a sudden collapsed job situation (not unrelated to some of the behaviours I mention above) is likely to force us to take some of the Peak Oil preparation steps early anyway... at least I hope that's the road we go down.
But you aren't alone... I have two kids though, one of whom has special needs... I just cannot bury my head and let what's coming hit me unprepared... and if I am wrong? well the risk is too great not to try.
--
When no-one around you understands
start your own revolution
and cut out the middle man