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It is true, we really could save a lot of energy and reduce GHG by just abandoning a lot of the low density suburbs and increasing the number of people living in existing urban housing.
" It is true, we really could save a lot of energy and reduce GHG by just abandoning a lot of the low density suburbs and increasing the number of people living in existing urban housing."
Ya' know what? Unless you could figure out a way to make "Pack 'em in like sardines" more attractive in terms of quality of life than rural/suburban living, you'd likely have a serious fight on your hands. You would never get me back in some inner city hi-rise rat trap while I'm alive. Laws, fuel , and eminent domain be damned.
I think it will happen on its own. Probably the only government "intervention" necessary is to turn a blind eye to current local laws about how many unrelated adults can live in one house.
There's no need for the government to force anyone to move. It will happen. People will lose their jobs and/or be foreclosed on. What will they do? Move in with family or friends, many of whom will be glad to have some help with the rent.
Companies also are likely to move back to the cities, where they were before suburbia. There will be workers there who can walk to work if necessary, plus the supply lines that created the cities in the first place.
As we've already seen, when supplies are tight, it's those at the end of the line or out in the boonies who suffer. Cities will have access to fuel, food, jobs, and government handouts that rural or suburban areas won't. People will want to move back to the cities, and if that means sharing an apartment with grandma, grandpa, and your sister's family, you'll do it.
What we have now is a planning and regulatory regime that in most cases mandates low density, separated use, auto-dependent neighborhoods. About one-third of the U.S. market is looking for something different, but government regulation and industry inertia prevent any options from reaching the market.
About one-third of the U.S. market wants neighborhoods with a greater variety of housing types, mixed use, walkable streets and transit access. That proportion is projected to increase due to to demographic factors, and if peak oil and global warming impacts start affecting housing choices those trends will only accelerate.
Best hopes for freedom of choice.
while I'm alive
Male life expectancy declined by 10 years during the transition from the Soviet Union to Russia.
Mortality in New Orleans is about 50% higher today than demographics would suggest.
So that condition may not be a given.
Besides, Americans are herd animals when it comes to housing.
When 25% of your Suburban neighborhood is not merely empty but abandoned, boarded up. overgrown landscaping (perhaps minimal grass cutting to avoid citations), nearest grocery store & dry cleaner closed, sky high property taxes and fewer and fewer services (nearest fire station closes, you cannot remember last time police cruised by your home while crime is *UP*), random power outages, "those people" moving into cheap housing with large families & friends, and squatters starting to show up, you may re-decide.
And as I have stated before, the alternatives are not just Manhattan (or downtown Toronto) or Phoenix/Houston sprawl.
I live in a neighborhood with equivalent energy efficiency to Manhattan. 1 to 3 (a couple of 4) stories tall. A few SFR (single family residences), duplexes and mostly small apartment/condos in subdivided older homes (I live quite happily in 1890 home cut into 6 apartments). QUITE beautiful and walkable (walk score 77 http://www.walkscore.com ) with a streetcar 2.5 blocks away. Unlike the sterility endemic in Suburbia & Exurbia, I know my neighbors.
But I am becoming more convinced that the founding principles of Suburbia were bigotry and fear (certainly white flight was a major force in their founding) and some of that lingers.
Best Hopes for a
DyingChanging Suburbia,Alan
Bigotry and fear were used to promote and justify the suburban life, but they were only tools, not the founding principles. I think the real driver was simply the energy gradient created by the discovery and development of fossil fuel. Here, suddenly, was all this potential energy-- locked up in the ground-- that could be turned into money if people could be harnessed to that purpose.
The achievements of the media and advertising industry have been absolutely remarkable in convincing us of the absolute necessity of the stupidest things-- all to the purpose of moving electrons in a giant redox scheme that piles up money in the bank by oxidizing all the reduced carbon formed by hundreds of millions of years of plant life on Earth in a just a few decades.
The gradient is decreasing, and themodynamic equilibrium is approaching. Things will work out (though possibly not in a nice way.)
There is also a less insidious reason. Don't forget GIs following WWII: They returned "home" - but they didn't actually go home to the farm. After they'd seen Paree, thousands of people settled in big cities and the newly developing suburbs. It was the "modern" thing to do at the time.
Yes, the herd instinct. Do as the rest are doing.
Although there was no modern Suburbia in WW II Europe.
Alan
Seldom have I laughed so hard at a statement encapsulating such bitter doom, NLNG. Kudos from a fellow physical chemist.
I think you're right here. During the '30s and early '40s the big propaganda for the idea of mass suburbanization came from progressives who wanted to improve the lives of the workers packed into tenements. They, in turn, could be said to be following in the footsteps of that Nazi, Henry Ford, who built Greenfield Village as his reactionary vision of how the working class should live. Both the left and right were wrestling with the bad conditions of cities at that time because it was turning workers into potential revolutionaries. If gas is cheap, and I want to head off a revolution, I want to disperse the disgruntled masses and equip them with cheap V-8s.
What I found interesting in the New Deal propaganda films is that no one thought that urban neighborhoods could be revitalized by rising incomes. Instead, we've gone through one bizarre urban scheme after another, dispersal, high-rise slums, now back to two-floor buildings. Something seems to be missing in our beliefs about cities.
Alan,
The bigotry and fear are primarily class bigotry rather than race bigotry, and I think I've decided the root of most of the craziness in America is television. Because its such a passive media and people can't affect the outcomes of the shows, they carry this attitude into their lives.
Fear and sex are the two main methods of manipulating people, they speak to primal instincts. If a person spend the majority of their free time watching cop shows, they seem more prone to a fearful attitude than people who go outside and take walks in theit neighborhood.. People are taught by advertisers to immitate the actor's on TV, so they want a solution that works in 40 miutes max. The villains are portraed as lower class people, so the ignore the villians who are looting their 401K'S.
Bob Ebersole
I have talked to several older people that "escaped" New Orleans as young adults to the suburbs (white flight). They still have a nostalgia for the old neighborhoods and the relationships there and think of moving back on occasion.
When asked, they will say is was never like that in the Suburbs.
Walking and talking and spending time outside are, I think, the keys. And if we can do this in the heat & humidity of New Orleans, anyone can :-)
But I think race was a major factor.
Alan
Alan,
I am in your fair city today and I am ensconced at Cafe Rose Nicaud on Frenchman Street. A lovely area and one unlike to those I find in the racist suburbs of my backward city Dayton, Ohio. I agree that people wanted to live in a semi farm setting with the amenities of the city but the Johnson administration's civil rights policies did not work for Dayton. It did not heal the rifts from the Civil War or Civil Rights movements. This one size fits all did not work for Dayton, with no geographical barriers to growth. Whites took their money and political power and drove infrastructure growth to the suburbs.
Of course Dayton is observing rapid population decline coupled with an astronomical foreclosure rate at the same time the local planning council is constructing a new sprawl inducing interchange south of the City. Dayton is going to reap the whirlwind, but in the next 5 years you may be able to get a free house in Downtown Dayton as long as you can pay the property Tax.
How long will you be in town ?
Perhaps we could meet. I have not tried Cafe Rose Nicaud.
Best Hopes,
Alan
Alan,
I am in town today (Sun) and then I drive to the Cane River NP to do some work and I will return to NO on Thursday the 23rd and I leave Saturday at 1200. Thursday Night or anytime on Friday the 24th. I would enjoy discussing relationships between our cities connected by electric trolleys and the river. The Great Miami flows through Dayton on the way to the Ohio.
I saw a nice local band at dba on Saturday.
Hope we can connect.
Greg
ghunter@mannus.com
I recommend editing you remark and deleting eMail address. "bots can gather it for spam.
Sent you an eMail.
Alan
Print that offer in Spanish and you'll get more takers than the INS can catch.
"My City Was Gone"
-The Pretenders
I WENT BACK TO OHIO
BUT MY CITY WAS GONE
THERE WAS NO TRAIN STATION
THERE WAS NO DOWNTOWN
SOUTH HOWARD HAD DISAPPEARED
ALL MY FAVORITE PLACES
MY CITY HAD BEEN PULLED DOWN
REDUCED TO PARKING SPACES
A, O, WAY TO GO OHIO
WELL I WENT BACK TO OHIO
BUT MY FAMILY WAS GONE
I STOOD ON THE BACK PORCH
THERE WAS NOBODY HOME
I WAS STUNNED AND AMAZED
MY CHILDHOOD MEMORIES
SLOWLY SWIRLED PAST
LIKE THE WIND THROUGH THE TREES
A, O, OH WAY TO GO OHIO
I WENT BACK TO OHIO
BUT MY PRETTY COUNTRYSIDE
HAD BEEN PAVED DOWN THE MIDDLE
BY A GOVERNMENT THAT HAD NO PRIDE
THE FARMS OF OHIO
HAD BEEN REPLACED BY SHOPPING MALLS
AND MUZAK FILLED THE AIR
FROM SENECA TO CUYAHOGA FALLS
SAID, A, O, OH WAY TO GO OHIO
The Pretenders backed up The Who last fall in Minneapolis and this night they stole the show.
special meaning for me, I grew up in Cuyahoga Falls.
Too bad Limbaugh uses that music on his show.
There have been lots of claims as to why the suburban explosion happened after World War Two. The popular one among city planners is that the Interstate Highway system caused the rapid suburban growth. I think this was more an effect than a cause. In reality I think it was a confluence of many things. Cheap energy, good roads, GI’s returning and wanting their house “in the country,” government policies (FHA, GI bill), herd mentality, and yes racism.
Two racist practices fueled suburban growth: red lining and block busting. In block busting and unscrupulous real estate agent would work to move a black family into a working class white block. Then he would go to all the neighbors and say that “those people” are moving into the neighborhood and you all know what will happen to your property values….. BUT luckily Mr. unscrupulous agent is here to sell your house for you. There are stories of blocks turning over in a couple of weeks from this practice. It was only successful because of racist attitudes of the whites who lived there. The newly formed black neighborhood was then likely red lined. This is a practice by banks where they would not loan money to certain neighborhoods usually based on race. The neighborhood would into decline do to lack of investment further pushing the middle class out to the burbs.
In a funny turn of events, many of those areas in the biggest cities are now being gentrified back into expensive places to live. The boomers who fled these areas can no longer afford to move back. They should have kept the land. Over the long term it would have been a good investment,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbusting
"No man who owns his own house and lot can be a Communist. He has too much to do." (Bill Levitt - 1948)
One book that explores that thesis is Behind the Gates: Life, Security and the Pursuit of Happiness in Fortress America by Setha Low.
I'm sure the author's inclusion of San Antonio was no accident...
How will they feel being drafted into a neighborhood militia when the managers go broke and can't pay the security mercenaries? Really old guys and brain-dead teenagers. Might as well draft the staff at McDonald's - our version of Hitler's Volkssturm.
Yes, this gated community nonsense continues. My home (recently sold) was in a suburb engulfed by greater Miami; just a few blocks from US 1 and rapidly gentrifying, it is considered very desireable. Enough well-to-do's moved in to petition the county to wall it off and gate it. I spoke at 3 of 4 public hearings, largly because these are public streets and all the "guards" can do is record tag #s. The next to last hearing I finally understood what this was all about when someone let slip the word "schwartzas" ("blacks" in Yiddish).
Despite my best efforts it went through, they assessed me thousands to put up walls and stupid airconditioned guard houses, and cut off streets so I could no longer walk to the local convenience store.
Hurricane Andrew in 1992 accelerated white flight from Dade County, which is now majority Hispanic. The anglos took their insurance settlements and moved to shiny new suburbs (in drained Everglades) in an adjacent county.
Suburbia is indeed all about racism.
PLAN, PLANt, PLANet
Errol in Miami
That seems blindingly obvious to me. PO is not going to change that. Lets face it, humans are not evolved to be comfortable living close to people that do not look or act like they do. Individuals may be able, but there is zero chance that the future of america will be a multicultural country all packed together in cities like a bunch of mixed nuts.
I think you are making things more complicated than they are.
IMO people chose suburbs simply because they are more convenient to live in. They are also much cheaper and spacious than crowded downtowns.
I have lived in both environments, actually both extremes - from an overcrowded Sofia quarter moving to a typical Atlanta suburb. Cultural shock aside, I find living here much more easier, but, maybe strange to many people this does not mean I like it more. Quite the opposite actually. I think that American culture has evolved to embrace easiness and convenience as the definition of high quality of life, and maybe this is the root of its tragedy.
Amen brother. My PV topped work-from-home burbs house is as much city as I can stand. I used to wait 10 minutes for the elevator to come in my "efficiency" Chicago high rise.
And, half the people/doomers on this site would build armed megabunkers on 40 acres in the name of conservation.
What they hope is that everyone else moves back to the city.