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From weather nerd central (which of course, means little):
http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=140291&st=20
Hello Prof. Goose,
Exactly right! Given the proper conditions, a hurricane can traverse the Yucatan and not loose any intensity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Roxanne
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During the afternoon of the 10th, as Roxanne became a hurricane and a well-developed eye formed. Shortly after Roxanne reached hurricane strength, it rapidly intensified to Category 3 strength (the first time that had happened in the western Caribbean Sea since the 1961 season when Hurricane Hattie took a very similar turn and intensification cycle.[1]). Roxanne made landfall near peak intensity just north of Tulum, a small town near Cozumel, Mexico, with sustained winds near 115 mph. Roxanne did not drop hurricane strength over land, despite the hurricane being inland for almost a full day and a half.
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So Dean, if it can remain a big CAT 4 or 5 before it crosses the Yucatan: could presoak the land sufficiently that when it finally crosses it--it might not lose much intensity, size , or strength.
Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?
"Given the proper conditions, a hurricane can traverse the Yucatan and not loose any intensity"
The Wikipedia text is poorly worded. Roxanne remained a hurricane, but it weakened from Cat 3 to Cat 1.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/1995roxanne.html
On top of that, it is very well established that 1) warm water powers hurricanes - the deeper the better, and 2) hurricanes rarely remain at Cat5 for long, even over deep warm water. There's no way that Dean will transverse the Yucatan and remain a Cat5, or even Cat4.
Look at what happened to Emily when it crossed a much shorter section of the Yucatan - Cat4 to Cat1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Emily_%282005%29
Hello PeakVT,
Thxs for responding. You are probably right, but the NOAA document on CAT 5 Hurricane Andrew suggests that a hurricane can temporarily intensify over land even an hour after landfall given the right conditions:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/1992andrew.html
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Andrew weakened when it passed over the western portion of the Great Bahama Bank and the pressure rose to 941 mb. However, the hurricane rapidly reintensified during the last few hours preceding landfall when it moved over the Straits of Florida. During that period, radar, aircraft and satellite data showed a decreasing eye diameter and strengthening "eyewall" convection. Aircraft and inland surface data Fig. 4 [121K GIF]) suggest that the deepening trend continued up to and slightly inland of the coast. For example, the eye temperature measured by the reconnaissance aircraft was at least 1-2C warmer at 1010 UTC (an hour after the eye made landfall) than it was in the last "fix" about 15 n mi offshore at 0804 UTC. These measurements suggest that the convection in the eyewall, and the associated vertical circulation in the eye and eyewall, became more vigorous as the storm moved onshore. The radar data indicated that the convection in the northern eyewall became enhanced with some strong convective elements rotating around the eyewall in a counter-clockwise fashion as the storm made landfall. Numerical models suggest that some enhancement of convection can occur at landfall due to increased boundary-layer convergence in the eyewall region. That situation appeared to have occurred in Andrew. The enhanced convection in the north eyewall probably resulted in strong subsidence in the eye on the inside edge of the north eyewall. This likely contributed to a displacement of the lowest surface pressure to the north of the geometric center of the "radar eye" (cf., Fig. 4 and 6 [107K JPEG]). It is estimated that the central pressure was 922 mb at landfall near Homestead AFB, Florida at 0905 UTC (5:05 A.M. EDT) 24 August (Fig. 4).
Andrew moved nearly due westward when over land and crossed the extreme southern portion of the Florida peninsula in about four hours. Although the hurricane weakened about one category on the Saffir/Simpson Hurricane Scale during the transit over land, and the pressure rose to about 950 mb, Andrew was still a major hurricane when its eyewall passed over the extreme southwestern Florida coast.
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Recall that Andrew was a small and tight CAT 5: so maybe porportionately the scale of Andrew/South Florida might be equivalent to a big area CAT 5 Dean/Yucatan. Will Dean continue to intensify two hours after making landfall? It might be only possible to compare this after Dean makes it Yucatan traverse; a post-mortem analysis much later like what was done for Andrew.
From the stormtrack projection it appears that Dean will be traversing the Yucatan in daylight or during the heating cycle. If there is sufficent warm rainwater on land plus lots more moist heat streaming into Dean from the outlying feeder bands-- it may not lose that much strength over land and/or nearly instantly regenerate in intensity as soon as the eye gets offshore. Thus, I speculate the Cat 2/3 boundary at offshore Cantarell/KMZ does not seem that far-fetched IMO.
Of course, I would gladly defer to expert opinion from NOAA.
Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?
Andrew passed over what, 50km of land? Dean might have to cross 250km of land. Dont you think its going to affect it?
Remember that Katrina and Rita were only category 3 hurrianes when they hit land. Dean is forecasted to fall to category 2 and then restrengthen to category 3 before hitting the mainland.
From the looks of things, there's quite a bit of oil related infrastructure where the storm is forecasted to make land. This could still be a terribly devastating event.
I did inhale.