Robert,

I want to thank you for all the time and effort you have expended in getting to the truth about peak oil and the ethanol hoax in particular. Your fair-minded efforts have made a real difference in the energy policy in the U.S., if nothing else I believe you've slowed down the implementation to where wiser heads will stop the ethanol insanity hopefully before there is so much investment that its unstoppable.

I just like to ecco Bob's reply , thx RR.

The real core understanding of bio-fuels and EROEI - is IMO the most important as to how policies are(will be) formed today .... for the future...

Are biofuel/EROEI as complex as the global-warming issue (?)
- personally I dont think so.

BUT ONE THING ...

Robert – It is a tall order to analyze all sorts of implications regarding circumstantial issues on bio-fuels.
I’m not saying it’s not important, but I feel focusing the VERY fundamental core issue should be priority no.ONE.

The fundamental issue is EROEI, and preliminary claims for bio EROEIs – ranges between, NEGATIVE (e.g. forget it) and 8:1 sugarcane/ethanol’s from Brazil (keep going)…. but mostly I have been reading cites of 1,3 :1, and hold this for true (for a second)

Then, a mental and philosophical challenge follows – Just for a second try to envision planet Earth without fossil fuels – whatsoever …..

Would the Industrial Revolution have taken place – on such a skinny energy diet? Remember the 100:1 EROEI for oil, initially...way back in 1859.

Because, actually the BIO-HYPES of today are coming main stream to replace the very origins of the Industrial Revolution, namely coal, oil and gas…!

The easy way of scrutinizing ALL kinds of renewable energy producing fuels and equipments are :::

HAVE THE BIO-FUEL, PV-SOLAR, WINDMILL producers, AND SO FORTH ….
MAKE their products made by their own produced power – THEN we will see what they are …..
and the EROEI will be so easy to spot, because those going out of business do not deliver ON THE REASON FOR THEIR BUSINESS …

as I see it!