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rainsong on September 1, 2007 - 10:51am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

In Russia's continuing policy of seizing private assets, they are trying to locate and arrest another Russian oil capitalist:

http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/2007/08/31/gutseriyev-russneft-put...

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TrueKaiser on September 1, 2007 - 11:47am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

oh stop. if you actually look at what these guys did post fall of soviet union it's actually better then him getting lynched by the millions of Russians he screwed.

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Alfred on September 1, 2007 - 12:06pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Do you really think that what happened post Soviet-collapse is capitalism, I really don't know what to say. It is a bit like saying that Gaddafi's sons are capitalists or that Suharto's family is capitalist.

Is it a total coincidence that 80% of the oligarchs happened to belong to a faith that encompasses one half of one percent of Russia's population? I'll let you guess which religion that happens to be.

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BrianT on September 1, 2007 - 12:35pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Alfred: You mean it is like saying Goldman Sachs is a capitalist enterprise?

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oilmanbob on September 1, 2007 - 9:56pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

i find anti-semetism offensive. You really need to go find a neo-nazi website Bob Ebersole

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davebygolly on September 2, 2007 - 12:24am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

The ethnicity or religion of the oligarchs is one thing, the economic system they have in Russia is another. There is no doubt that it is capitalism, whether the capital is in the hands of the oligarchs or in the hands of the bureaucrat capitalists around Putin.

I laugh at people who think the Jews control everything. My wife is Jewish, as is my son's wife and her family. Her mother works as a sales clerk and her father as a security guard. He was UPS driver before he retired.

There are certainly rich Jews, but at the very top of the heap here you mostly find my people -- WASPs. Unless Cheney converted? But this is all quite beside the point. Capitalism isn't about religion or ethnicity -- it's about money. The billionaires of whatever background love to stir animosities between people. Cheney has no affinity whatsoever for his Appalachian kinfolk, nor does the elite of any backrgound.

A lot of anti-semitism is aroused by Israel's criminal actions just as a lot of anti-American sentiment is aroused by the US gov't bombing the crap out of anything or - one that moves. But the Israelis are pawns in the hands of their elite just as we are of ours. Norman Finkestein points out that a lot of the Russian "Jews" in Israel are not even Jewish!

Think interests, think economics -- don't think ethnicity or religion. End of rant.

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mtnlion44 on September 2, 2007 - 12:34am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Really well put. Thanks. Good ending.

matt

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Aniya on September 2, 2007 - 3:31am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Thank Dave - and Matt,

Second the sentiment.

And possibly add, sometimes the "interests", as well as the "economics", are conducted via connections people have. And what people believe (or imagine) themselves to have in common with others may be part of that. Though the beliefs about commonality may be artifacts, too - as opposed to motives.

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oilmanbob on September 2, 2007 - 11:10am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I think any statement calculated to build up hatred of others is against my principles and values, and I'd prefer not to see it here. We all need to work together.

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AlanfromBigEasy on September 2, 2007 - 11:24am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Unfortunately, I find neo-cons distinctly unlovable.

Best Hopes for uniting 99.4% of us in a common struggle,

Alan

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