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Party: Don't complain to me-complain to the CIA Factbook-your taxes pay to keep it updated, not mine.
I'm just pointing out how silly we at TOD can be sometimes.
TOD is great in that it attracts a myriad of people with different ides that all share some common ground 'peak oil'. It's really entertaining to see the various opinions (expressed as facts) that get thrown around. Yet the common denominator of all the 'doomerbation' talks centers on one thing: The USA will be screwed.
Yet magically, places like China will succeed.
The last time I checked, China can not even feed their own population anymore. One of the most common 'facts' expressed here is that in a PO world, the world will not be able to feed its people and 4+ billion will die. Yet this magically won't affect any of those countries that we deem 'better' than the USA.
The same goes for various economies. China and the USA are dependent upon each other. If one goes down, so does the other, as there isn't a consumer bloc large enough to 'absorb' the loss of 300 million happy consumers. Chinas own population doesn't make enough for them to sustain their current production, much less thrive. This also ignores the fact that we repeatedly state that economic growth is directly tied to oil consumption (this trend has vanished in the past 30 years), yet these same countries are expected to outperform the fat old USA, despite this dwindling resource.
Now this isn't an attack on you, BrianT. I'm merely expressing my bemusement at the whole doomer-train.
Excellent right on post PG. Plus china will need to use a significant amount of money to buy imported food (which would be much more expensive in this scenario.
I don't think any "doomer" think China will "succeed."
Beating us in a short-term bidding war for oil is does not mean they will avoid dieoff and other unpleasantness.
But there is a significant group that seems to think that the rich will take the main hit and therefore maybe a powerdown is not such a bad thing. Whereas a more realistic assessment is that the rich will be the least effected and the poor will go to hell.
Maybe so, but they ain't doomers.
To paraphrase from Fight Club, "the rich" need "the poor" to cook their meals, haul their trash, connect their calls, drive their ambulances, and guard them while they sleep.
"The rich" will feel this just as much as anyone else. It will just take longer for the effects to kick in.
By which time the poor will have starved to death after trashing what remained of their natural environments.
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PartyGuy, you draw so much fire here because you keep misrepresenting what people say. "The doomers" have not said that "China will succeed." They say that all oil-dependent countries are screwed. If they tend to focus on the USA being screwed, it's because they're American.
To put it short: they're saying "Oh no, EVEN America is screwed!" not "Oh no, ONLY America is screwed!"
Party: Don't know why you label me a "doomer". I don't have a horse in this race-the numbers are what they are. If the numbers favor the USA, that is just as good. Reality doesn't care what you want or what I want. Flag waving only makes you money when you are selling something.
China can't feed its own population, nitwit??
China's growth in per capita meat, fish, fruit consumption has been greater than anywhere else in the history of the world. Check out historical stats at fao.org.
And think before you open your mouth in future.