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This actually doesn't seem too bad to me. There are a few things I'd tweak, naturally:
*Don't put the money towards the earned-income tax credit. That just encourages more population growth, which we certainly don't need. Put it towards something else, or just use it to pay down our debts.
*Why are we giving more money to road construction? Don't we have enough roads already? Mass transit should get 100% of this portion, not 40%.
*Until we figure out a liquid fuel alternative for air transport, we need to devote maybe 10% of the jet fuel tax to R&D and 90% to yet more mass transit. Let's build a rail system that's actually competitive with the airline industry in terms of speed, cost, and level of service, as they have in much of Europe.
*The final list of things is fine, except I wouldn't give low-income people money SPECIFICALLY to ease their energy bills. I'd just give it to them in a lump sum, keep the incentives for less energy dependency, and enable them to purchase other stuff, such as home infrastructure or bicycles that will have long-lasting structural economic benefits to them.
As for cronyism, that's going to happen no matter where the money goes, whether it goes into state-run programs or private companies like Halliburton or Enron or whatever. That's just how our current political/economic system functions.
A few major tweaks could make this more appealing;
* Allocate 50% of the gas/jet fuel tax towards mass transit, the rest to offset income tax
* Allocate 25% of the carbon tax to lower income citizens to offset the regressive nature of the tax, allocate the rest to offset income tax
* Ditch the mortgage annulment for existing homes or institute 'penalty'. However, implement it for large houses constructed after 2007.
* Exemption for agricultural diesel fuel only (phase in for all others)
(NOTE: The article text had considerable additions from an unattributed source or sources without any consultation with me. I have tried to label these additions to distinguish them properly, though I do not know how they should be attributed. Perhaps the editors will fix that detail; in the mean time, please re-scan the article proper to see which material is properly mine and which is not.)
As I see it, the problems with Dingell's proposal are much, much worse:
This appears designed to be D.O.A. on the House floor.
It would be much simpler and better to tax the fuels (without exemptions for any fuel) and use the full amount to give every legal worker, pensioner, etc. a zero-bracket amount on their employment taxes (or the equivalent for retirees):
These ideas have been out there for a while. I find it hard to believe that Dingell could not know about them. For him to produce a proposal at such great variance from it says that his objectives are very different, and I doubt very much that I would ever endorse them. We need to close the Hummer dealership on Telegraph, not promote it.
(before you ask "why a zero-bracket amount and not a flat per-capita rebate": I think people who only work a trivial amount should only receive a trivial fuel allowance, and proportionality up to a point is a good thing.)
and that's my fault EP. Sorry about that...not sure what I did, but apparently I did something. :)
It sounds to me like your main concern is that this program really comes out to provide additional taxes, rather than taxes which get rebated back to consumers in a different form. To the extent to which this is the case, the program will have a difficult time getting public support.
You're absolutely correct about that. I think people would respond to a program which allowed them to do well by doing good. Dingell's scheme does not benefit the people paying the additional taxes, or give them any opportunity to do so. This may play well with class-warriors, but the general public hasn't been in that kind of mood for a long time and repudiated that view in 1994.