Good points, Bob.

And while I don't disagree with the Chimp, I guess the notion of smallness and significance can get confused in odd ways.

The best way for me to understand significance remains mysterious. It has to do with living in a good way, or living authentically in the best way one can, without too much despair over outcomes I cannot control in any rationalistic way.

I just forget that sometimes, what with all the angst and anxiety over peak oil, climate change, intentional ignorance, war, and other violence going on.

I agree with Chimp that our experience of life with cars has affected our sense of self-importance in the same way that perhaps some royalty, emperors, CEO's, and other "Big Players" were/are given to an outrageous sense of self importance.

Living authentically matters a great deal to me. I fall short of my own sense of ideals, but love, peace, joy, sharing with a small group of loved ones, and positive engagement in the larger community matter to me even if we go out with a poof and a sputter shortly.

Escape from Suburbia may have its shortcomings, but it may also serve as just the right existential provocation to help some people rediscover humane living, which involves survival, but a whole lot more as well.

Survival is not forever anyway...we all gotta go sometime, and so do all species, it seems.

Mere survival is not all it might be cracked up to be. Even so, I do want to keep on surviving so that I can have more opportunities to really live.

Not discounting even more mystical possibilities that may or may not helpfully inform the discussion of the significance of the human being as highlighted by the Long Emergency as we know it.

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Both Alan and Matt are right about significance. the sum total of good exists in the world because billions of people have chosen to live good lives and do so on an ongoing basis. The chimp is right in that our individal choices are unlikely to have meaning to more than a few people, and also about our grandiosity. But that makes each individual choice even more significant, because people respond to example a lot but not to exhortation

I think the point is don't overexagerate either our importance or insignificance, neither is true. Bob Ebersole