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"He-Matt Simmons- repeated the concern about 4th Quarter world supply at a 85 mbdoe being faced with a demand of 88.2 mbd – where does the shortfall get made-up. There is no source that can now turn on, that fast, an additional supply of 3.2 mbdoe. And of that excess how long can the current stocks last when faced with this level of shortage. We are, in short, already in a world of hurt even before the actual peak in supply arrives. His prediction for the annual drop in production for an average well is 6.7% and there is increasingly evidence that this will not be met by the supply options (He got a standing ovation at the end)."
So.
1-How is the US maintaining EIA Oil Inventory numbers
while
2-There is a world 3.2 mbdoe shortfall
As science fiction writer William Gibson said, "The future is here. It's just not evenly distributed yet."
Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens
I discussed inventory numbers in the following article, but in any case note that crude oil inventories worldwide are declining.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2975
From your article:
"Second, we need to evaluate crude oil inventories based on Days of Supply in excess of Minimum Operating Level (MOL). In the US, the MOL for crude oil is probably about 270 million barrels (mb). At about 322 mb, US crude oil inventories are probably best characterized by Hours of Supply in excess of MOL (about 80 hours). In my opinion, recent fluctuations in US crude oil inventories merely reflect minor changes in a thin margin of supply in excess of MOL.
Refiners are unlikely to let their inventories drop below certain critical levels, and given the expectation of declining world oil exports, refiners will have two choices: (1) Bid the price up enough to keep their inventories up and/or (2) Reduce their crude oil input, thus reducing product output.
My contention is that instead of focusing on crude oil inventories, we need to focus on world net exports, crude oil prices, refinery utilization, product prices and product inventories.
I expect to see crude oil exports trending down, crude oil prices trending up, refinery utilization trending down, product prices trending up, and product inventories trending down."
I'm focused on crude and gasoline inventories in the US.
$2.75 gasoline is impossible with $88 crude.
And locals are still competing with "cents lower/sell more gas" prices in my area.
Like $2.50 bread with $10 wheat.
And yet we have it.
Even as China continues to import more.
Like the SIV derivatives debacle, someone is hurting now.
The EIA Inventory numbers must be wrong.
Thank you for replying.
Yours,
James
Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens
It continues to amaze me how often I see the media, energy analysts, pundits, and peak oilers like Matt Simmons throw around phrases like "world supply at a 85 mbdoe being faced with a demand of 88.2 mbd" without mentioning either the "P" word, price, or the "I" word, inventories.
If the number of barrels of oil demanded is higher than the number of barrels of oil produced, the difference between barrels produced and demanded will need to be supplied out of inventory, typically from above-ground storage tanks. It costs money to build and maintain storage tanks, so for obvious reasons inventory is finite. For that reason, the quantity of oil demanded cannot exceed the quantity produced for very long or oil stocks will be exhausted.
So what then? What happens when the tanks run dry and quantity demanded continues to exceed quantity produced? Do the supertankers get turned away empty, the refiners unable to refine enough gasoline, and long lines form at gas stations as shortages develop?
Fortunately, there's a third variable that tends to get left out of the discussion: price. Price will rise or fall as needed to ensure that supply and demand are always in sync.
Therefore, if we re-visit the Matt Simmons example: "world supply at a 85 mbdoe being faced with a demand of 88.2 mbd" we see that absent any discussion of price and inventories it's actually a pretty silly statement. (In fairness to Matt Simmons, I wasn't at the conference and it's quite possible that he did indeed discuss price and inventories.)
However, let's assume that another oil pundit made this exact statement in isolation without any discussion of price and inventories. It should be obvious that one can only predict a certain quantity demanded at a certain price. They go hand-in-hand--because a change in price will naturally affect the quantity demanded. It should also be obvious that quantity demanded and produced cannot diverge for long, so in essence what this pundit is really saying is that price of oil in the 4th quarter is going to have to rise substantially in order to keep supply and demand in sync.
By now, it should also be clear that some of the graphs out there that purport to predict a multi-million barrel gap between oil supply and demand over the next several years are utterly meaningless. Instead of trying to predict the 'gap' between supply and demand, those graphs should instead be trying to predict the price of oil at which supply and demand will be satisfied.
I think we should re-label often fuzzily used "demand" (which is a fixed economic term, really) as "expected future supply at today's price".
Business make investment plans based on a certain oil price range. If they make a plan that only amortizes if oil prices stay between 40 and 60 dollars, and the price goes up to 80 and stays there, their investment is likely to turn sour unless they can pass on the price increase to the next in the supply chain - ultimatley a consumer.
Consumers have the final say: If they are unwilling to buy the product or service that's been loaded with all the passed-on oil price increases, the companies in the supply chain will get into trouble, one after the other, as the effect gets passed back.
What do you think?
Cheers,
Davidyson
Hi Davidyson,
You're actually describing two separate notions here. 'Demand' is actually pretty well defined in Economics. When an economist speaks of 'Demand,' he/she is usually referring to the amount of goods (or services) that a consumer is willing to purchase at a variety of price points. This is typically represented by a curve on a graph, hence the term 'demand curve' which you may hear in these types of discussions.
Another often-used term is 'quantity demanded.' Perhaps as its name implies, this is the amount of goods (or services) that a consumer demands at a particular price point.
Unfortunately, this definition tends to differ slightly from the every day use of the term which to me implies a certain emotional component which can't be easily quantified. Joseph gives a good example in his post following yours.
The crux of the communication issue in my opinion is not that lay people tend to use different definitions, it is that they do not define their terms sufficiently rigorously. With a good enough definition you could define demand to mean anything at all and if you use it in a sentence I'll be able to understand what you mean.
As for your other point on business investment, you bring up a very good point, but unfortunately exploring how the various actors in the supply chain will be affected by an increase in the price of a commodity is actually a pretty complex endeavor.
I can understand your consternation on this, it's frustrating for to see the precise lexicon of one's profession or avocation misapplied.
I often scamper off to the dictionary to try to improve my understanding when I see a grievance such as yours. Here's what I found at Answers.com.
I think the economic laity frequently misapply Demand because they have all experienced the reality of of a strong desire to acquire something which cannot be found. The lessons of supply and demand are little comfort to a crying child intent on a Wii, or a tickle me Elmo, or in a previous generation, a cabbage patch doll. Any parent will tell you that a lack of supply will have no effect on the demands of their children.
I find the second definition ironic in view of the ASPO conference. Supply should rise to meet demand is exactly what this is all about.
Query: Does the economic lexicon offer a word for what Simmons is describing?
Hi Joseph,
I completely agree that the term 'Demand' is frequently misused due to the emotion / desire that you describe.
In response to your question about Economics offering a word for what Simmons is describing, I'm not sure there is a single word per se, but there are certainly concepts which capture what he might be trying to say. I say 'might be trying to say' because it is actually extremely difficult to understand exactly what he is trying to say! My interpretation could be substantially different from someone else's. This is unfortunate, because it just adds noise and confusion to the discussion and detracts from a substantive debate on the merits of the issues.
Having said that, the claim that 'demand will be 88mb with supply 85mb' might be trying to say this:
If prices stay constant, consumer demand for oil will rise to 88mb.
All major producers of oil worldwide are pumping just about flat out right now so supply will remain constant at 85mb.
Therefore the price of oil will rise substantially in order to keep the actual quantity of oil demanded by consumers at 85mb, in sync with the quantity of oil supplied.
This, in my opinion, is a plausible interpretation. However, there are other (perhaps less plausible) interpretations one could make. Another possible interpretation:
The amount of oil supplied in the fourth quarter will remain 85mb.
The amount of oil demanded in the fourth quarter will rise to 88 mb, resulting in rapid draining of inventories followed by widespread shortages.
Note that this is not a likely result given how markets work and that the price of oil is free to move as needed to balance supply and demand, but the fact that this is a possible interpretation should show how careful we all need to be in terms of how we convey this type of concept.
So how would an economist convey the same idea? An economist might say something like:
The global economy will continue its healthy growth in the fourth quarter causing a shift to the right of the demand curve. {A shift to the right of the demand curve implies that for any given price consumers will seek to consume more oil.} However, supply will remain constant, putting upward pressure on the price of oil. {So that supply and demand continue to be balanced.}