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1 Most speculators do not take delivery, and anyway if they were we would be seeing higher stocks. Speculators betting on higher price will buy a few months out, then close the position by selling as it rolls towards the front month. So, if speculators are controlling the market and pushing it higher, wouldn't futures be higher than spot? IMO highr spot is an indication of higher present demand, if not in the US (which anyway has falling stocks) then in the rest of the world. For example, tapis has been higher than nymex for most of the year as asia tries to attract cargoes.
2 There is growing awareness of PO, and also growing realization that supply has plateaued, if only temporarily, for a couple of years even as asian demand continues to surge. Meanwhile, we are in 4q with 1q coming, traditional high demand quarters. Is it not natural, and long predicted at tod, that more punters will take long positions in the futures? BUt the long positions are not, as noted above, sufficient to rise future prices... why is this?
3. REfineries are not processing as much crude as they could on account of low crack spreads. Another case of high world price and low US demand... why not accept that world demand happily soaks up every barrel that the us does not want, and that for cargoes to come here, we must compete with high asian prices? Tapis is higher than nymex, as it has been for most of the year, even though chinese demand is temporarily throttled by price controlled too low... this problem is hurting the chinese economy, so price will be allowed to rise, and demand along with it. So, the current situation has flat supply coupled with artifically restrained demand in the fastest growing economy on the planet. I see higher prices.
Exactly. Spec demand would show up in the longer dated contracts and the markets would be in contango as they were in 2006. Now, the price is clearly being driven higher by the spot market and the near month. This is all supply and demand for physical crude.
Unless you take delivery, you simply cannot affect the price, ultimately. You are just making a bet on the direction of future prices. For every long there is a short and they cancel each other out, it just ends up that one is right and the other wrong (or perhaps the other is hedging and is still very happy, thank you!)
The Saudis need SOMETHING to explain the high price other than that they are post-peak and cannot drive the price down by doing the normal thing which would be to pump more oil. Hence, all the nonsense about markets being well supplied, terror premiums, speculative demand and all the rest of it. The price is determined at the wellhead and at the pump. All the rest is propaganda.
It seems as though getting the truth through to the ordinary consumer will be next to impossible. Simple answer: production is in decline. And yet we get all this nonsense, day after day.
But what do we really expect the Saudis to do? Tell the truth? LOL!!!
I think its a little bit more complex thus my Whack-A-Mole theory. Enough real buyers are now forced to buy under duress that the speculators eventually have quite a few real buyers that will take delivery. Speculators are providing the peak prices but the floor price is being driven up strongly by desperate real buyers. Basically the real buyers are being forced to buy on the spot market at any cost as they wait till the last minute to purchase oil.
Its not quite as simple as you make it but if you consider the housing bubble for example speculators cannot drive up the price unless real demand is increasing.