Australian Election: Peak Oil Policy Responses
Posted by Phil Hart on November 24, 2007 - 3:00pm in TOD: Australia/New Zealand
Topic: Policy/Politics
Tags: australia, coalition, greens, politics [list all tags]
Reposted to main today after the Australian election result, which looks like a relatively sizable defeat of Howard's centre-right coalition.
This is the third article in relation to the Australian Federal Election, coming up next Saturday 24th November, 2007. The previous two articles are:
Matt Mushalik - Election Time in the Land of Oz
In September, I sent a policy survey to the four main parties (Coalition, Labour, Greens, Democrats) seeking their official view on peak oil and details of relevant policies. I received the first response from the Greens and second from the Coalition (Liberal/National Parties), but no response from Labor (which is especially disappointing) nor the Democrats.
The complete survey responses are here:
Coalition Policy Response
Greens Policy Response and Transport Policy Addendum (Roads to Rails)
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Here are some highlights:
(a) Does your party recognise peak oil with specific policy on this issue?
Coalition: The Coalition takes a holistic view of Australia's energy needs, recognising that effective policy is needed to manage all risks and make the best use of all our energy resources.
Other initiatives include taxation incentives to stimulate greater exploration, significantly increased funding to Geoscience Australia to support oil and gas exploration and long-term support for biofuels.
(and from covering letter) The Senate Inquiry was presented with widely differing evidence on the extent of the world's oil reserves. I note, for example, that ASPO's estimates of the ultimately recoverable resource are less than half of the estimates supported by the US Geological Survey.
Greens: Yes. In fact it was due to our concern about Peak Oil that the Australian Greens initiated the Senate Inquiry into Australia’s future oil supply and alternative transport fuels.
(b) How will your policies reduce the vulnerability of Australian communities to the effects of high petrol prices?
Coalition: The Coalition appreciates that fuel is an important part of every family budget. International Energy Agency December 2006 statistics show Australia has the fourth lowest retail petrol prices and fifth lowest retail detail prices among 29 OECD countries.
While no Australian government can control the international factors which set the global oil prices, the Coalition is giving practical help to motorists.
Australia has one of the lowest levels of fuel taxation in the world. The Coalition abolished indexation of fuel excise which means that excise is 17.2 cents per litre lower than it would otherwise have been.
The Coalition has also strongly supported biofuels, such as ethanol. The Coalition has provided almost $100 million in Ethanol Production Grants and more than $30 million in Biofuels Capital Grants to kickstart the industry.
Greens: The Australian Greens have a range of policies that seek to reduce Australia's reliance on oil, including through improving public transport, supporting the development of second generation biofuels and electrification of the vehicle fleet and shifting freight from roads to rail. Key features include introducing mandatory vehicle efficiency standards, tying car industry support to improved efficiency, more stringent Government procurement policies and removing the favourable tariff treatment for four wheel drives. More detail can be found in Senator Christine Milne's report Re-Energising Australia.
(c) What level of federal funding will you provide for urban and regional public transport?
Coalition: The provision of urban and regional public transport is a responsibility of State and local governments. The Australian government's priority is supporting the national AusLink network, in particular the infrastructure essential for the nation's freight task.
Greens: From the public transport policy provided subsequent to initial survey response:
Australia, and much of the world, is on the brink of an economic, social and environmental crunch thanks to our love affair with private transport. With climate change, oil depletion and traffic congestion all coming together, it is clear that we need to change the direction we are heading with transport.
Dealing with these three interlinked problems requires three equally important solutions: improving vehicle fuel efficiency, replacing fossil fuels with low emission substitutes, and shifting people from private cars to safe, fast, reliable and cost effective mass transit, and freight from trucks to rail.
Roads to Rails deals with the third of these, the fundamental shift we must make out of private transport: funding first-rate public and freight transport options, including fast, efficient rail links, busways and cycleways. The policy complements previously announced polices looking at improving private transport: our Cleaner Cars policy and an alternative fuels target.







It is dissapointing and also predictable that the COALition doesn't cannot even bring itslef to say the words "PEAK OIL" in its response. Much of the response was fluff, with empty promises to review things. What I find intersting is that they say we have a biennial review of energy security as recomended in 2004. Well what did the review in 2006 throw up? Nothing to worry about apparently except for the fact that we had $75 oil?
Also taking a holistic (homogenous) approach to energy is naiive and deluded. Please Mr Howard, tell me how nuclear power is going to run my car? At least Howard has grudgingly alluded to high oil prices as being part of the economic storm clouds on the horizon. I think John Howard and Peter Costello are actually very well informed about peak oil and are actaully hoping to be lose thsi election so they won't have to face the consequences. They will be able to thow a lost of it at a Rudd government when it fianlly hits the fan in the next few years.
And Mr Rudd, Is $500M spent to produce an Aus produced hybrid a smart investment of energy when we have a perfectly good car fleet which could deliver the same efficieny as your hybrid experiment with a little good driver educataion and driving pattern modification.
Even the Greens are a bit soft on the PO issue. Their website mentions not a word of Peak Oil and Christine Milnes report is slanted towards Climate Change as being the far more important issue. While there is genuine understanding of Peak oil in the report, CC is clearly the more ideologically pure moral argument for using less fossil fuels. The economic impacts of PO are of little concern to the Greens who don't give a toss about those of us who dwell in consumer land and believe we deserve every misfortune that befalls us.
The only pollie in Australia who I have any confidence in is Andrew McNamara but I fear that he will become the token voice that can be conveniently buried in Qld.
Take only what you need, give everything you can.
Although its not highlighted in the policies on their website, the Democrats are well aware of Peak Oil. See http://sa.democrats.org.au/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=ar..., http://www.democrats.org.au/articles/index.htm?article_id=139, http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21571863-5006301,00.htm... for more info on their position.
Its a pity that everyone's basically written off the Democrats as a spent force. From what I've seen, they have a far more realistic grasp of Peak Oil issues than any of the other parties.
Anyway, in mid October I contacted both the Coalition and Labor via the feedback mechanisms on their websites, asking about their renewable energy policies and their planning (if any) for peak oil.
I didn't receive a response from the Coalition, but Labor sent me the following:-
Labor believes Australia's abundance of clean energy resources such as wave, wind, solar and geothermal are crucial to meeting the challenge of climate change. A strong and well-supported renewable energy sector will help reduce Australia's greenhouse gas emissions, grow jobs and support
an innovative clean energy export industry.
The Howard Government has announced a clean energy target which piggybacks on existing State Labor Government schemes and takes credit for growth in the renewables sector generated by State Labor Governments.
Labor is committed to genuine long-term support for renewable energy, and believes a suite of clean energy sources will play an important role in Australia's future energy mix.
Labor has already announced a comprehensive portfolio of policies to support clean energy. Labor will:
* Substantially increase the Mandatory Renewable Energy Target;
* Introduce an effective emissions trading scheme by 2010 that makes clean energy sources more economically competitive;
* Offer rebates for rooftop solar power panels;
* Offer rebates for solar hot water systems;
* Offer low-interest loans of up to $10,000 for homeowners to purchase measures including rooftop solar power panels and solar hot water systems;
* Establish the $50 million Australian Solar Institute;
* Provide $50 million to develop geothermal 'hot rocks' energy; and
* Establish a $500 million Green Car Innovation Fund designed to tackle climate change by driving the manufacture of low emission vehicles in Australia.
These measures will provide significant support to Australia's clean energy sector, and are central to Labor's comprehensive action agenda for tackling climate change.
In regards to your concerns about 'peak oil', Federal Labor believes that better information is required regarding future oil supplies to inform prudent planning.
For that reason Labor endorsed the first recommendation of the report of the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Committee: Australia's future oil supply and alternative transport fuels.
That Report recognised that there are concerns that we will soon reach 'peak oil' and recommended that Geoscience Australia, ABARE and Treasury to assess the official estimates of future oil supply and the 'peak oil' arguments and report to the Government on the probabilities and risks
involved, comparing early mitigation scenarios with business as usual.
A copy of the Senate report, released on 7 February 2007, is available online at: www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/rrat_ctte/oil_supply/report/index.htm
A Rudd Labor Government would carry out this assessment, allowing it to properly plan to secure our future fuel supplies.
In addition, a Rudd Labor Government will include projections of future liquid fuel supply and demand in a regular National Energy Security Assessment to better inform industry and the community of the nation's future energy outlook.
At a national level Australia is facing a profound shift in the source of our liquid fuels. Unless significant new oil fields are found, Australian domestic oil production could represent as little as 20 per cent of our consumption by 2015. Importing such large amounts of oil could leave Australia's economy heavily exposed to international oil supply disruptions.
A Rudd Labor Government will encourage increased domestic oil exploration, the development of gas-to-liquids projects that can convert some of our vast gas resources into liquid fuels and coal to liquids technologies that can produce synthetic diesel. Coal to liquids technologies can include
the capture and storage of carbon to minimise the emission of greenhouse gases in the production of fuels.
Labor will also support the research and development of new bio fuel technologies, including the production of ethanol from cellulose.
Labor considers energy security crucial to continued prosperity. Having a diverse range of liquid fuels will help secure our economic future.
In the context of climate change we must ensure that Australia has not only secure sources of energy but also sustainable sources. Federal Labor is absolutely committed to combating climate change while meeting Australia's long-term energy needs.
A Rudd Labor Government will immediately ratify the Kyoto Protocol and set a target to reduce Australia's greenhouse emissions by 60 per cent on 2000 levels by 2050.
In addition, Labor will introduce an effective emissions trading scheme by 2010 and implement a National Clean Coal Initiative with a $500 million investment to drive the development of technologies that dramatically reduce emissions from the use of fossil fuels.
Once again, thank you for making me aware of your concerns about energy security.
Regards
ALP Campaign Information Services
thanks for that great info commuter.
i agree that the democrats are well aware of peak oil and have good policy on the issue. Just a pity that their office could not manage a reply to the survey.
Also great to see your response from Labor. That’s encouraging that they’ve committed to the key action from the Senate report to formally get Geoscience Australia and ABARE and Treasury to reassess the situation. ABARE can make believe anything they like, but the data is so convincing now that the combined work of those three bodies would have trouble completely dodging the issue. They may have a little more freedom to act with an election out of the way and a new Government?
i'm just concerned about Labor hoping to get liquids from coal and sequester it. you might in some limited cases pay a one third energy penalty to sequester C02 used for electricity generation. and you can convert coal to liquids at great expense, also losing one third of the energy content of the coal along the way. but i just cannot see it happening that you would do both and lose two thirds of the energy content along the way. if we're going to do Coal-to-liquids in a world constrained for energy, capital and engineers, we won't be sequestering the CO2 it generates.
Cheers
Phil.
Great info commuter and I'm glad you recieved a response. I have sent emails to Garrett, Rudd and Ferguson earlier this year and have yet to hear anything. At least in this response they do separate energy generally from liquid fuels. The GTL and CTL fantasy seems to be alive and well though. Wonder how that will fly in Kyoto?
Take only what you need, give everything you can.
Maybe someone should send them Andrew McNamaras report from Queensland. How much more information do they need?
Take only what you need, give everything you can.
I think keeping electricity in your house is far more important than trying to maintain the car culture that got us here in the first place.
John Howard's got this one right.
Actually electricity will one day run your car (or other form of transport, unless you walk or ride a bike).
Its just that nuclear power isn't the best option for generating this electricity...
This is an assumption on your part. There is no evidence that electricity or anything else will power cars in the future to the extent we have now.
I went and saw my local Coalition MP - he did not know what "Peak Oil" was - he'd never heard of it. I explained it, his eyes widened as the implication sunk in.
The Coalition response was totally pathetic, that Labor didn't reply is worrying. I will vote Greens - they really do have their head around this issue as well as others.
Peak Oil will kick Australia's economy in the guts - mining, tourism and transport. We need to start investing in a Solar-Electric near future.
I briefed my Coalition MP on peak oil also and it was quite clear that he was not at all familiar with peak oil. Having immersed ourselves in peak oil on the net, we assume that everybody has heard of it but that is a long way from reality.
We have a lot of work to do to raise the awareness of our politician before we can expect them to make good policy.
cheers
Phil.
I am really confused by the position of Dr Karl. He is running for the Senate on the Climate Change Coalition ticket. As such i posed a question to him regarding Peak Oil and AGW on his Facebook page. he kind of ummed and aahed and promised he would answer it on his blog which he was in the process of setting up.
So shortly after he set up a blog www.drkarl.com yet so far his blog is just full of rubbish about how he thinks Clean Coal is a good short term solution for Australia and pretty much our only option for the next decade. WTF??
For a guy who positions himself as some sort of genius he appears to be wilfully ignorant of gas powered generation, geothermal and other renewable energy sources. And remarkably evasive on the Peak Oil issue.
Does anyone know much about the Climate Change Coalition of which he is a part? Is it an offshoot of the Libs/Nats coalition?
He's not the only high profile environmentalist supporting the Coalition these days;
Greens astounded as Flannery backs Turnbull
In The Age newspaper today the Australian of the Year says he would vote for Mr Turnbull, and that Federal Parliament needs more people like him to tackle climate change.
Strange times indeed...
I don't mind Turnbull so much. I'd almost vote for him myself if he wasn't a member of the Liberal party. He and Joe Hockey are about the only likable figures from that group.
Lobes,
The CCC are not affiliated with any major party that I can tell, but are a single issue group pushing for geothermal baseload, which is still unproven commercially and tidal power, which is only available in a few places. That Dr Karl, I used to have so much respect for his opinion, but he’s just another baby boomer flake trying madly to preserve the un-preservable. Supply-side solutions are not enough, we must all live much more lightly to make renewables workable, especially if we want to maintain a high population.
Ahh, cheers Saturn.
I just googled up the CCC website and the extent of their Peak Oil policy appears to be a link to ASPO Australia and this one line about Peak oil in their FAQ section:
http://climatechangecoalition.com.au/home.html
but he’s just another baby boomer flake trying madly to preserve the un-preservable.
Well said SaturnV the Dr has joined the CCC as a political pansy and would wilt like a flower in the face of any real pressure from from the Biz end of town. The CCC are really a bunch of Al Goreites tryibg to cash in on green energy.
Karl Sven Woytek Sas Konkovitch Matthew Kruszelnicki.
Thanks SthPacific,
He has since modified his position to one of grudging acceptance of carbon capture as the "least worst option" for dealing with coal. The only problem is that the techniques are 20 years from realisation, it is impossible to remove the existing gasses already in the air, let alone sequester that much CO2 and store it safely forever. Dr Karl has effectively endorsed continuation of the status quo and bequeathed a death sentence for future generations and the other species, if this crackpot scheme is ever made widespread. In the meantime we will have well and truly crossed the point of no return regarding global warming, if it hasn't already been reached.
Phil, your initiative to get official responses from all political parties to a specific set of questions is laudable and you definitely started early enough.
Whatever the parties may write in their policy documents, what really matters is how they propose to spend available funds. Today, we had this list published in the Sydney Morning Herald:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/new-line-to-bring-faster-trips-labor...
Labor:
Rail: $840 + $300 million = $1,140 million for freight lines
Road: $662 million for freeways
Liberal:
Rail: $834 + $300 + $65 = $1,199 million for freight lines
Road: $1,770 million for freeways; big chunk for F3-M2 tunnel
One can easily calculate:
Liberal wastes 60% of $ 3 bn on new freeways, Labor only 37% of $ 1.8 bn
None of the major parties has discovered that crude oil production has already peaked in 2005 and that - barring the sudden appearance of a carbon free miracle fuel to quickly replace declining oil production in adequate quantities - the road congestion problem will be solved by peak oil, without one single dollar of investment.
The 2 conflicting trends of increasing Australian oil imports and declining global oil export volumes are INCOMPATIBLE and will lead to a PERMANENT OIL CRISIS.
I can't accept that we can quickly replace say 50% of current coal use and supplant oil by using unproven technology and voluntary conservation. That immediately cuts out the Greens (per Milne report) and the clean coal enthusiasts. I also question whether my incumbent ALP member deserves to be re-elected. Better not say which electorate but think of large cats which are not tigers. I'm inclined to vote for an Independent who has showed form on air quality issues with pulp mills.
As to the major parties I think it boils down to who will disappoint least.
I guess that Australia will use proven, off the shelf, commercially available technology like wind, solar, nuclear, and sodium sulfur batteries.
Unproven technologies are just going to have to wait their turn.
I'll just deal with the question of reducing our reliance on coal for electricity; dealing with using something other than oil would make this comment excessively long.
My home uses 5.8kWhr a day, about 4 of which is our fridge. I'm here in Melbourne, we use no AC or heating at all. We just turn on the fan and have a cold drink, or put on a jumper and have a hot drink. We have an electric blanket for cool nights. We have TV, two computers, a stereo, and they all see a decent amount of use. We use CFLs, turn off apliances when not in use, etc.
The average Australian, says the ABS, used 20.9GJ of energy in their house. 48.7% of this was electrical energy, and since there are 3.6MJ in 1kWhr, this makes 2830kWhr, or 7.75kWhr a day. So our two person household, we'd expect to use 15.5kWhr daily. In fact as I said we use 5.8kWhr. So we're using 37% of average.
So I think it's trvially simple for the average Australian household to use 50% less electrical energy without in any way compromising their lifestyle or causing themselves discomfort. I think voluntary conservation can work.
People respond to the calls made on them by leadership. In recent years there's been advertising about reducing domestic water use, and some pretty mild restrictions. It says here that
Since in 2001 we apparently had 18.97 million people, and in 2005 we had 20.19 million, a 6.4% increase in population, we've gone from using 120kl each to 104kl, a decline of 9%.
In our own home we use 27kl each annually, simply by short showers, using laundry and bath water on the garden, and so on. Of course many people will do nothing - I've an acquaintance fresh from Germany who has 40 minute showers, after all (using in one shower what one of we two uses in a week) - but others will do more, so that it balances out, and we come up with an overall reduction. So with more encouragement in advertising we could see a reduction of about 18-25% overall, I think. Let's be conservative and call it 20%.
Now, if we can do it with water, I don't see why we can't do it with electricity. When we had the natural gas blowout ten years ago, people responded well to the public pleas not to use the gas still in the pipes. If they'll put up with significant inconvenience for a couple of weeks, they'll put up with mild reductions forever, I think. But there have been no such calls. This surprises me. Recently we had the coal mine at the Yallourn power station get flooded, it's only at about 1/4 of its 1,500MW capacity - and that's about 1/4 of the state's baseload power, so it's significant. Since we got a couple of 30+C days, I thought there might be calls for us to show some restraint with AC and such to avoid any blackouts, but nope.
Going on the water experience, though, I think that a 20% reduction in per capita household electricity use is quite achieveable. Commerce and industry would have to follow. Commerce can manage it - about half of commercial buildings leave their machinery, lights and airconditioning on when no-one's there at night, wasting 1/3 of their power overall. If we could get them to stop that, it's 17% of commercial power use saved immediately without effort. So they only need to find another 3% of savings to match what households can do.
Thus, voluntary conservation can give us 20% electricity consumption drop, which means a 20% reduction in consumption of coal in Australia (almost all coal used is by power stations).
I agree that "unproven technology", such as geosequestration of CO2, won't give us any reductions - or at least, we shouldn't rely on it. Let's use proven technology, like wind power. Denmark, which has had wind power since the 1970s, in 2005 produced 18.5% of its total electricity from wind turbines. In 1996, the Danes set themselves the target of getting 40% their energy from wind by 2030. So basically from now until 2030 they'll be adding 1% of their total electricity consumption in wind power.
Now, producing wind power does involve some carbon emissions, from mining the ore for the metal for it, the crane raising it into position, even down to the concrete base. This gives the energy payback period of two to three months for new designs, and a year for old designs. But we'll assume that we Aussies produce the things more sloppily than the Danes of thirty years ago, and have a payback period of two years. This gives us CO2-equivalent emissions of 0.04kg/kwWhr for wind power, as against 1.21kg CO2e/kWhr for black coal (though most Aussie coal-fired power comes from brown coal, which is worse - but let's present it as pessimistically as we can for renewables!) So wind has 3% the emissions of coal over its lifetime. And so converting 18.5% to 40% of our electricity from being got from coal to wind will actually only reduce emissions by 18-39%.
And so we have,
Conservation, 20%
Conversion to wind, 18-39%
leaving somewhere between 12% to find elsewhere, or 9% more reductions in emissions than the 50% you describe.
I think I've spoken about it enough, so suffice to say that between solar and geothermal and wave and biomass, I think the prospects of a 50% reduction in coal-burning, using proven technology and voluntary conservation, are pretty good.
If our conservation of electricity is only as fast as that of water has been (9% in 4 years), then the 20% reduction can be hit in 9 years. Assuming building renewable energy is the same rate as the Danes, 1% of total supply annually, then the 18.5% can be hit by 2026, and the 30% substitution mark, or overall 50% reduction, can be hit by 2037. A 20% conservation and 40% substitution, or overall 60% reduction in coal use, could be hit by 2047. The most ambitious target is that of the Greens, 30% greenhouse gas reduction by 2020 and 80% by 2050. In terms of electricity generation, my plan would exceed theirs (32% vs 20%) in 2020, but fall short in 2050 (62% vs 80%). My plan would vastly exceed that of all the other parties'.
When you said you didn't think the reductions could happen "quickly", you didn't say how long "quickly" was. As I've shown, it's quite feasible to achieve very significant reductions in emissions from electricity generation by conservation (20% by 2016) and substitution (1% annually) using proven technologies. I don't know if you count that as "quickly" or not.
Of course here I'm only talking about emissions from electricity generation, but that is after all what you said you were sceptical we could reduce by 50%; to deal with everything that produces emissions would be the subject of an article, not a comment on an article. Suffice to say that it stands to reason that if we can do it with electrical generation, we should be able to do it in other areas of the economy - again, using proven technology.
Points noted, but a couple of quibbles
1) water conservation may be easier than electricity
A green lawn was always a faux status symbol and I bet some are glad to be relieved of the effort. On the other hand AC on a hot day is a matter of physical wellbeing. It could be the next 20% of water cuts could be as hard as the first 20% of electricity. BTW my household power bill is $550 in credit and I have rainwater tanks.
2) Denmark aiming higher in renewables
I've read that new wind build in Denmark has reached zero net marginal benefit. I won't link to that because I think a few years need to go by before a consensus emerges. If that's true it could mean renewable penetration higher than say 20% of current grid output is not always practical, but let's see. If I recall the UIC (sure they could be biased) says Denmark currently has higher relative coal dependence than Australia through electricity import.
1) That's not been my experience.
We had just two 37C (99F) days, though below 50% humidity, in my cheaply-built uninsulated house I got by with just a fan on me. I am 36 years old and not fit, though a healthy weight.
No healthy human between 10 and 60 years of age needs for their health airconditioning or heating between 10C (50F) and 33C (91F). They might like it, but they don't need it. Consider: just as 92% of the world's population has no cars at all, about 90% have no access to AC at home or work. They don't drop dead at an early age because of that.
Our grandparents, and for many of us our parents, spent most of their lives without any kind of AC at all. Let's not confuse "become accustomed to and likes" with "needs". I'm accustomed to tv every day - I don't need it.
Peak oil means we don't get to be whiny pussies anymore, we have to toughen up a little bit. Not a lot, just a little bit. A fan or hot water bottle, and cold or warm drink, instead of AC is not a great and painful sacrifice, I think.
If we can reduce our electricity by 63%, then about half the country ought to be able to reduce by half that amount without trouble, giving us 16%. The other half could also reduce, but will be whiny pussies about it. But I'm more optimistic about human nature, and think that two-thirds of people will reduce by half of what we have. 2/3x1/2x63 = 21%, more or less.
I don't think that's unrealistic, thinking that two-thirds of people can manage half of what we do, which is nothing extraordinary, and involves no real discomfort, and the spending of not a single extra cent - in fact we've saved money.
2) If you're not linking to it and you're not sure about it, sorry but I'm not interested. Hell I could say, "I read somewhere, but I won't tell you where... wind power costs $0.01/kWhr, is carbon negative, and gives you vitamin C."
Link wars round 1
From http://www.energinet.dk/en/menu/Frontpage.htm
It might just be easier to wait until all sides agree on the true situation in Denmark.
Shopping malls and offices need AC. Don't think that will change anytime soon.
I don't care about the money. Whether this or that makes money is not relevant to the issue of fossil fuel depletion and climate change, since after all, if we do nothing, then those two things are going to lose us a metric shitload of money.
Money in any case is very volatile, dependent on the local situation, government subsidies and taxes and so on.
I'm only interested in the energy from the various sources, and the pollution effects.
With heroic efforts in renewables you will just get a slow elimination of coal over decades.
With heroic effors in renwables and nuclear you would get a far more rapid elimination of coal.
Australian greens appear to be supporting more work on second generation biofuels. This is in contrast to US greens who are aiming to move away from combustion based technology entirely. But, I think that you are making a mistake to think that they are suggesting that second generation biofuels are an immediate answer. They are supporting expanded research.
Greens everywhere tend to be interested in prosperity. So, the Australian greens are urging roads to rails (proven technology) as a way to make everyone's life easier and better. Getting people where they need to go faster and in greater comfort is a good thing. It also addresses the issues of peak oil and pollution.
Chris
Chris Shaw, a well known Peak Oiler, has some things to say about the election. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=feralmet&search=Search
Enough is enough – Kick Howard’s a** this time and show him the exitdoor..please..
You(he) have not signed Kyoto-agreement and to some extent YOU have rediculed it for many years. Now, do you still suffer from any drought down there, or? Are you still planning for recycled toilet/drinking-water ? (sarcanol)
Australia needs responsible politicians who can work on the greater issues like GW and PO, alongside the international community. And you will be very welcome in that club !
I was listening to Julia Gillard (deputy leader, probably deputy prime minister next week) being interviewed on ABC radio in Brisbane a couple of weeks ago. Someone sms'd a question asking her what she thought about Peak Oil,
She responded by saying that she assumed the question was in regard to how petrol prices go up and down each week and that she didn't like it either !
LOL, you could have asked me! I'm standing as a Candidate (Independent) in Charlton.
Believe me, I KNOW about Peak Oil
And now the Coalition (friend of coal) has lost, and Labor got a majority in the House. It looks as though in the Senate Labor will only be able to pass legislation with the assistance of the Greens, and one lefty independent Senator. Obviously the Greens will do deals.
The new Senators don't take their seats until July 2008 (we have fixed Senate terms, but not fixed elections for them), so we won't see immediate action as the Coalition will still have a majority there. However, to my mind this is a good thing, as it allows the Greens time to make deals with Labor, so that policies can be properly considered and discussed.
Labor does not appear to be aware of Peak Oil issues, but they are aware of climate change and wish to address it, and since the logical measures for each are the same, that's okay. So we've some hope.
surprising ? i thought they were expecting howard to step down even before the votes were tallied.
as an outside observer, it seem to me that if blair was bush's poodle, then howard was his ....... well, other poodle.
elwoodelmore--
Blair was the poodle--
Howard was the lap dog, which Bush gave a pet to when ever energy or GW came up and the Lap Dog barked the BushCo party line.
He will be missed by the Neothugs.
I hope he doesn't follow Browns path, after his first visit to the US I've been refering to him as Brown-nose for his cozing up to Bush. Hopefully he has enough confidence not to cowtow to Washington.