I believe the nails are all but in the coffin for corn-based ethanol. But I am hearing (from not one but numerous sources) that there are some new biotechnologies that will become commercial in the next few years that are show stoppers (from an energy and profitability standpoint). Like 10+ EROIs. I'm not sure if they are real or not because most of it is 'in the lab'. But what I am sure of, and quite concerned about, is that people need to start thinking in wide boundary terms. Will I make $$ on this biofuel at the expense of borrowing from the local and regional commons etc.? Will I get more liquid fuels but then run low on natural gas? Linkages are tighter than the market is telling us, because a)we price things at the marginal unit, so everything is copasetic until its not and b)many of the things we truly need (water quality, trees, fresh air, dolphins, etc) are not included in decisionmaking/moneymaking models.

Ya - its become evident that corn ethanol doesn't make sense as a national policy. It was a knee jerk reaction to high oil prices - we need to be smarter about large scale deployment going forward - and we need to look at the source - why do we want more and is more good for us?

It might not be corn but rather corn ears that are the problem. A friend sent me this link about tropical maize that gets very sugary in the stalk (25%) when grown at higher latitudes. There may be some evidence that Algonquin cultivated this variety for sugar. Corn does not need a lot of nitrogen until it starts to set ears.

Chris

sugary in the stalk

Such should not be shocking - cellulose (way oversimplified) is a complex sugar. And a few old references for making distilled ethynol suggest stalk from sweetcorn.

I think you're right about the nails being put in the coffin for corn ethanol. The fact that it's an ineffective oil displacement fuel is becoming widely accepted. Corn is being seen now as what the biofuels research arm of the University of Tennessee has termed a "first generation feedstock" for the ethanol infrastructure that's being built. They are hard at work developing high net energy switchgrass feedstocks that are inedible and not a food inflation problem. Even the science challenged U.S. Congress is mulling over things like all new ethanol infrastructure facilties built after 2012 being noncorn based. But all fuel crops are going to induce a huge water problem. Even without the dire need for fuel crops and the lucrative export driven economic growth they imply, the developing populations of the world are becoming desparate for water that's fit for human consumption. The U.N. estimates that 80% of the hospital beds in the world are occupied by cases of drinking bad water. There is a tandem bull market emerging in agriculture and water while everyone debates runnin' on corn sqeezins just as there was a bull market emerging in oil 4 years ago with everyone poking fun at peak oil.