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"actual examples of catastrophic reservoir collapse"
you could look here http://www.energybulletin.net/1474.html
a brief discussion of the yibal field, oman.
i read the referenced article, "another day in the desert". the author doesnt seem to be a real experienced reservoir engineer(although he seems to hold himself out as an expert), the article is at best a superficial look at "twilight in the desert". the article you cite seems more interested in discrediting simmons than providing any real data or analysis.
And Shell was gearing up their surface facilities to handle an expected flood of new oil when they were hit with a flood of new water.
Yet a lot of peak oil experts take the reserve estimates from these companies as truth.
Yibal is a single field, which collapsed ten years ago in 1997. Pointing to a single field does not constitute evidence that MRC wells are going to cause a sudden catastrophic collapse of production in Russia and Saudi Arabia.
The industry has been drilling thousands of MRC wells per year since the mid 90s. If MRC causes catastrophic field collapse, there should be dozens of fields undergoing catastrophic collapse all over the world. So where are they?
the author doesnt seem to be a real experienced reservoir engineer
Matt Simmons has only positive things to say about him (from Barron's "Personal Wealth: Twilight for oil", Jan. 30, 2006):
As you can see, even Simmons has distanced himself from the sudden collapse rhetoric.
Still waiting for cites of petroleum engineers making the case that MRC will cause catastrophic collapse of Russia and Saudi Arabia...
Well if you read this paper you will see that widespread deployment really started in 1997-1998.
http://netherlands.spe.org/images/netherlands/articles/26/spsalamy.pdf
http://postcarbon.org/files/JD_CV/CitesJulian/2004%20Petro%20Review%20-%...
We should know soon if MRC wells in Shaybah act as super straws. I believe the field had a URR estimate of 14GB.
Its production rate is fairly low. I'm having a hard time finding historical production but its less than 1mbd I blieve its around 700 bkd right now. To put this in perspective Purdhoe with 12 GB of reserves produced above this touching 1+mpd for ten years.
Shaybah has a estimated URR range of 5.71GB to 19GB.
http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/3100
Its being produced at about 0.18GB a year so even with the low end estimate it seems that it will produce for a long time. So its not a good candidate to watch for near term collapse. I was unable to find another good example searching the web right now at least at the field level Shaybah and Yibal seem to be the main examples. Most reports mention Saudia Arabia is being the pioneer for MRC wells.
However they are not the only ones and its now ten years since 1998 so some MRC wells should be watering out soon.
Its a matter of finding the data. Regular horizontal well are far more common and production profiles are easy to find for them. MRC wells should since they are a variant of the standard horizontal well exhibit the same production curves.
http://gswindell.com/horizogj.htm
So at least a cursory review of the use of horizontal wells in the US indicates that the super straw concept seems viable.
"yibal is a single field". yes, you asked for "any".
he said, she said. if you are really interested in why i say jim jarrell appears to not have a lot of experience as a reservoir engineer, i would be glad to explain it.
i don't know who is claiming that mrc wells will "cause" a collapse. what will cause a collapse is injecting water and depleting oil. it's as simple as that. think of a tank, fill the tank from the bottom with water and take oil out the top. when the tank gets full of water, there isnt any more oil to be had. the claim of jarrell seems to be that mrc wells will prevent the tank from going empty.
To clarify they don't cause a collapse your correct but the wells can just like horizontal well maintain a high production rate and low water cut right to the end of the wells lifetime.
The production profiles tends towards a square wave.
Its not clear at all that reserve estimates developed using production data from these types of wells both horizontal and the more advanced MRC wells are correct.
At least in my reading it seems abundantly clear that advances in extraction technology including new well completions, horizontal and MRC wells etc are capable of maintaining production rates and keeping water cut low until a field is highly depleted.
Whats not clear is if these technology significantly enhance overall recovery or if the reserve estimates which use well logs or production data as part of the estimation process are correct.
http://estudantedaenginhariadopetroleo.nireblog.com/post/2007/12/21/oil-...
In particular the well log data can be incorrectly interpreted because of the differences between horizontal and vertical production. The nature of horizontal wells makes it fairly easy to overestimate reserves.
"the production profiles tend toward a square wave".
yes, i agree. and that would be ideal from a profit standpoint. production at gravity stable rates would do the same. i dont doubt the saudi's, they are more or less producing at gravity stable rates. "more or less" because if they were producing at strictly gravity stable rates, there would be no water production until the day the oil runs out. they can say they produce at "gravity stable" rates and have water production because the reservoir is not completely homogeneous. so on "average" i suppose they are. but whether they use horizontal wells, vertical wells, inclined wells or a combination thereof, a gravity stable rate is determined by the reservoir geometry and rock and fluid properties at the oil/water contact.
and incidentally the article cited by jd talks a lot about water coning. well, if the saudi's are experiencing widespread water coning, we had better run for the hills.
horizontal wells can enhance recovery by keeping the economic limit at bay for a while. they can also make an otherwise uneconmical field profitable. however, horizontal wells present a challenge after the wells cease to flow (artificial lift is at least more challenging in a horizontal well).
In general from my reading horizontal wells tend to allow extraction to the point that additional EOR methods are probably not going to a whole lot of additional oil. The combination of early water flood, horizontal wells tends to extract 90% or more of the easily extractable oil at a low water cut and high production volume until they water out.
MRC wells can be treated as a number of horizontal wells with the potential for interaction. As far as gravity stable goes generally true but I'm not sure what it means given the large amount of producing area exposed its like discussing a underground river vs a spring. Even coning is different also of course fractures are a lot more important for horizontal wells. Combined with modern imaging methods its a technical revolution.
My point is that in attempting to come up with a correction factor for technical progress I've concluded that modern extraction methods result in much higher flow rates for longer and thus higher depletion rates. Certainly in the case of tight formations that where not producible without horizontal wells we have increased overall URR however I've not found convincing evidence that horizontal wells actually result in real increases in URR in general. The economics are great but the total recovery situation is murky at best.
In general once your done extracting with horizontal wells very little can be done to extract additional oil. At best you may have some bypassed oil that can be extracted with a few horizontal wells or a workover of the existing horizontal well. Your basically left with a field thats at 90% plus water cut and most of the remaining oil pretty much immobile. In my opinion running vertical wells and washing the rock in a sense at a high water cut probably results in higher URR.
The bottom line is advanced methods have a large impact on both production rates and depletion rates in old and new fields. This factor has not been adequately included in any of the peak oil proposals I've seen.
If you take into account technical progress and take the 1970's vertical well with water flood as a sort of baseline "standard" in my opinion 50% of the current production can be directly attributed to technical advances. So if we had stayed at the same technical levels as in the 70's oil production today would have been around 40mbd not 80mbd.
Sure some of this production would simply not be viable using the older technology but still its a big factor and in my opinion or URR estimates especially the estimates of the amount of oil remaining that can be extracted at a high production rate may be off by a large margin.
The amount of "fast" oil left to extract seems to be effectively the same as what M King Hubbert predicted for the work 1250 GB. We have extracted about 1100 GB+. And extract at about 30GB a year. A worldwide watercut of 80% plus indicates that this argument could be valid.
Thus if I'm right we will see global production effectively crash in the 2008-2009 time frame.
I could easily be wrong for example we could have 2500 GB of easily extractable oil that would give is 4-5 more years of production at our current rates but then I'd expect global water cut to be lower say 60-70%.
Certainly we have additional production from 90% plus watered out fields this stripper well production accounts for 2 mbpd in production from the US maybe 20-30mbpd of overall world production this is limited by water handling facilitates and declines at a slow rate. So we have a sort of base stripper well production level that can last for decades.
This leaves almost 50mbd of production that potentially has a short life span 10 years or less this comes from work overs of older fields and new generally offshore fields extracted at high depletion rates. I don't see us replacing this level of production in a ten year time frame. Also of course all the more traditional production thats mixed in continues to deplete. This is the super giant problem thats been well studied on the Oildrum. Production from the old super giants is distributed in both this 50% and the baseline stripper well level. A lot of the super giants are now stripper well production and some like Canterell and Ghawar seem to be benefiting from advanced extraction methods.
Taking 1990 as year zero for the introduction of horizontal drilling and other advanced practices and assuming the peak return on the use of the methods was around 2000 says we should start dropping off about now out to 2010-2012 or so.
The drop is eventually limited by water handling issues.
Better methods such as MRC wells where added later but they generally resulted in ever higher depletion rates so the overall technical boom if you will seems to stay centered around 2000. So although we continued to get higher production from methods developed later the depletion rates continued to increase.
I'm keen to see the mega-projects extended back past 2000 since it seems to me that most of the 10mbpd increase since then is purely from increased technical capabilities.
Time will tell of course but so far I've not figured out a way to discount a large technical effect and resulting asymmetric global production profile since I just don't see a lot of additional URR at high flow rates given the nature of our technology.
I'd love to see real experts comment on the various technologies and recoveries at the well and field level. I'd love to be proven wrong but more importantly I feel I've looked at the problem enough to hopefully convince people its something worthy of further deeper analysis. If its not pursued then time will tell I just can't see us making it all the way through 2008-2009 at the current production rates so we will know soon enough.
for the ghawar field at least, the remaining reserves are probably less than 40 gb. ace, stuart, and euan means did a lot of work on this a few months ago. with an initial rate of 5 million bpd, that implies a decline rate of 4 to 5% (assuming the decline starts about now), a decline of 225k bpd for the 1st year. if the decline phase is pushed back a few yrs , the decline rate is higher. if there are less than 40gb remaining, the decline is higher yet.
ksa claims to have 260 gb reserves, with ghawar at 40 gb remaining, that leaves 220 gb , or about two ghawars, for everything else. seems a little far fetched.
I share your view that Saudi reserves are likely somewhat overstated due to overambitious recovery factor claims - In our detailed modeling of north Ghawar, our estimates were not compatible with the official ones. That said, there's almost certainly a lot of oil left in the country. A rough, lower-bound estimate would be to take the 1979 OOIP figure of 530gb (from the 1979 Senate subcommittee report), and apply a global average 40% recovery factor for giant fields (from Laherrere's paper) to get a URR of about 210gb. With 120gb gone (cumulative production), that would leave about 90gb. I can't see it being much less than that. I found myself obliged to accept the Saudi statements on OOIP growth in 'Ain Dar/Shedgum while analyzing the situation there - I just couldn't make all the numbers balance without doing so. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe the OOIP numbers elsewhere also, which would mean a URR of something like 0.4*700 = 280, which would imply about 160gb left. At 9mbd, or thereabouts, that's a depletion rate of about 4% in the former case, and 2% in the latter case. So a precipitous decline is very unlikely to be sustained at those kind of low depletion rates. I think the decline last year probably reflects having failed to make the necessary investments in time to offset declines in some of the mature areas, rather than an absence of any investments to make. (I speculate that they ended up believing their own overstated recovery claims, and thus misplanned, but that is just speculation).
thank you for your response. and yes, i think the saudi's were caught with their pants down, so to speak. and the big question is: can their efforts compensate for the decline in ghawar ? it seems like the advancing oil/water contact has chased them to the very top of the reservoir. at some point, they will need to figure out how to handle large volumes of water, including the possibility of artificial lift.
and i doubt the decline in ghawar will follow a nice smooth curve.
"i'd love to see real experts comment"
that would be good, however being an "expert", imo, doesnt mean you know what is going on.
this jarrell guy makes reference to the jay field in florida, via an spe paper (discussing the recovery factors for 250 mature carbonate fields worldwide). anyhow, if you read the abstract of the spe paper (spe 84459), there is apparently some discussion of the effect of horizontal drilling on recovery factors. the price from spe is $6 for members or $20 for non members. i am no longer a member.
The issue at hand is Ron's claim that: "Those who are counting on a "gradual" decline in Saudi Arabia and Russia, I believe, are sadly mistaken. The collapse will be sudden and catastrophic."
I want to see the evidence/argument to support that claim. Give it to me full-strength, if you've got it. Convince me. So far, you're just playing word games.
we havent discusse my consulting fee arrangement yet.
Watch US production this year in fact take a hard look at it right now. As the US goes so goes KSA. All the technical factors that are a concern are a large part of the US's current production and they in general where deployed here first. If they are primarily causing faster depletion then US production should have already begun to fall quickly.
I don't know what the noise is in US production numbers but I'd guess until we see at least a 2-4% change or so or about 200-300 kbpd we won't know which way its going. The prediction is for a 4% increase.
But the US should lead KSA going down if the technology argument is valid. Timing could easily be off but the relative differences should be right. We will see.