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The thoughts expressed are thought provoking.
My complaint is in the conclusion where he states, "Thus, alternative energy sources are not likely to supplant fossil fuels in the short term without substantial and concerted policy intervention."
Where in the data he presented did he produce evidence that policy (government) intervention is necessary or would work as an alternative to allowing the free market to work. This topic was not discussed at all in the body of the paper. This is just an unsupported bias, perhaps delusion, of the author. This conclusion out of thin air approach is hardly science.
that often happens in conclusions.
The concept of energy density and policy, I believe are misconceived.
Here is a quote from Edison, 1910:
"Sunshine is spread out thin and so is electricity. Perhaps they are the same, Sunshine is a form of energy, and the winds and the tides are manifestations of energy.”
“Do we use them? Oh, no! We burn up wood and coal, as renters burn up the front fence for fuel. We live like squatters, not as if we owned the property.
“There must surely come a time when heat and power will be stored in unlimited quantities in every community, all gathered by natural forces. Electricity ought to be as cheap as oxygen...."
Edison, in this interview explained the task he confronted was to store electricity and let it out in usable measure. Electricity in Edison's time was a low-density source, except lightning which he noted was not very useful. Sunshine is today a low-density source, the way we have engineered power use.
Policies need to allow ingenuity that allowed Edison to create his breakthroughs. Current power generation is monopolized by regulatory agencies.
Germany’s Feed-in-Tariffs removed centralized power generation monopolies. California’s Energy Commission recent recommended Feed-in-tariffs noting that Germany added 4,000 MW of renewable generation in the last year while California’s centralized policy installed 242 MW in the last 5 years.
We are losing the game by the rules we have defined. Remove the rules and allow innovation. We can change the lifeblood of our economy from oil to ingenuity.
Innovators cannot navigate policies that block innovation that Edison did not have to confront.
Power generation, transmission and distribution in the US has generally been quite dependant on government policy - establishing exclusive service territories (regulated monopolies) and rights-of-way for transmission and distribution grids, regulation of rail rates(primary fuel carrier for coal), R&D dolalrs for nuclear power, non-discriminatory access to markets (PURPA), etc.
If nanasolar can break the $1 per watt manufacturing cost the most cost-effective installs will be large, flat roofs adjcacent to loads. In Florida it would be illegal for a Wal-Mart or Target to sell power to their neighbors. The adoption of alternative technologies could be greatly accelerated with supportive local, state and federal regulatory and legislative support.
The involvement of government in the "regulated" monopolies is not a proper function of government; as you have stated, they created monopolies which they then regulate to the detriment of most power users and even some of the monopolist.
The argument should be for government to disengage itself from managing economic matters such as this foolish involvement in the Florida power business you describe. It should not be for government to do anything but protect property rights in the free market.
Politicians and bureaucrats deciding what direction investment should take will as likely result in a disaster as not, as evidenced by the failed USSR economy, or more recently by the subsidized direction of scarce resources into the corn ethanol boondoggle. The government involvement may have accelerated ethanol manufacture, but the burden on others to pay for these subsidies probably retarded development of other alternatives. If you are bearing a large tax burden to pay for the state solutions, maybe that keeps you from affording your own investment in wind or solar panels for example.
If an alternative works, then it needs no subsidy or other government direction. It is only what cannot be supported by by sound economics that requires a subsidy, and that is precisely what we should not invest in.
So if by policy you mean getting out of the way and only punishing fraud and pollution, then I agree. If you mean government management, regulation, subsidies and mandates, then I disagree.
That is just right wing ideology. Most oil production around the world is now run by governments and the people in those countries seem to be pretty happy with it. The US government boosted production and drove technology pretty effectively in World War II. The Chinese economy seems to work pretty well. Involvement of government in the regulated monopolies might work in some cases and not in others but we cannot just dismiss the idea as you do. There are so many market distortions in the real world that we cannot pretend that unregulated free markets are the best for every situation.
Churn is the economic equivalent to evolution; the process of try a lot of stuff and keep what works.
In my view, regulated economic monopolies, like their political equivalents (monarchies, dictatorships) can speed up churn by requiring its adoption. When the regulators are brilliant or benevolent, radical improvements can be made very quickly. This seems the exception not the rule.
My guess is monopolies fail because of a personnel problem. Most regulators are rule-followers. Most innovators are breaking the rules. Most innovators are economically and politically outsiders. The net result is that monopolies tend to become rigid and brittle.
Compare 3 large infrastructures: Power generation, transportation and communications.
Communications was de-monopolized in the US in 1984. Churn resulted in the Internet being transformed from a very small defense project to culture changing boom, bust, boom. The Internet's expansion was significantly shaped by the porn market. No regulators I know would have said "We need more band-width, let's expand the porn industry."
Adaptive churn in communications is in stark contrast to regulated monopolies of power generation and transportation. These infrastructures are the cause Climate Change and Peak Oil. These regulated monopolies have block churn for about 75 years.
Germany's Feed-In-Tariffs have broken the monopoly of power generation. In 5 short years, individual efforts have resulted in 12% of total German electrical needs being met by renewable power generation. They have created 250,000 renewable energy jobs and exported $15 billion of their solutions in 2007.
Regulated monopolies in California have installed 242 MW of renewable generation in the last 5 years. German's in a free market, installed 4,000 MW in 2006.
I believe the proper roll of governments is to assign true costs for non-market factors such as pollution (including GHG's) and defense. Had non-market costs for supply-line defense, air quality, GHG's etc... been assigned in the 1970's, solar would have been competitive enough. Individuals and clusters would have churned.
The dictatorship of regulated monopolies blocked action to assign true cost, denying that climate change and peak oil are real. The result is we are killing our planet's ability to support us. We are becoming one of nature's project that could not adapt.
The book Good to Great is a wonderful outline of how collaborative leadership encourages churn.
There is a third alternative: public ownership that is not government ownership. It could be argued that fossil fuels should be considered common-pool goods, part of the natural patrimony of a nation that should be managed to benefit all of the people, present and future. It is also clear that governments do a pretty bad job when it comes to managing anything except public goods. Corporations are best just limited to the private goods sector. Thus, what is called for in the case of both common-pool goods and toll goods is some sort of cooperative ownership and management. A national trust should be set up to hold title to and manage these resources, with the trustees elected directely by the people instead of being appointed by the government. It would be the people themselves that decide whether these resources should be developed and depleted more quickly (to provide for lower prices in the short term) vs. conserved for future generations. As this publicly-owned trust would hold any surplus revenues, there would be no need for sovereign wealth funds.
No country has tried such an approach, probably because neither politicians nor corporations would like it. Only the people would.
option 3
There are 3 distinct electric power infrastrcutures - generation, over 90% centralized; transmission and distribution. Even among vertically integrated providers these are quite distinct business units.
To encourage innovation and private investment it would make sense to disaggregate the system. Transmission should be owned by state or regional operators (in fact, over 60% of the US transmission network is owned by ISOs or RTOs). This can create a level-playing field for centralized generators and create a robust market for monetizing Demand Response. A robust Demand Response market will increase the economic value of daytime generation, particularly solar, thermal (ice) storage and CHP (which substantially icrease the yield from NG). The Distribution systems should be owned soley by the ratepayers -they are the ones who pay for the systems. And FERC should require that all distribution networks meet open standard interconnect standards and market-rate net metering for local generators utilzing renewable technologies. This would unleash a wave of innovcation in distributed technologies which would increase the reliability and resiliency of the power grid.
Experience is the thing that allows you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
The electrical distribution system was historically laid out along with the generation system. Lines have limited capacity, and it makes no sense to build a line for more capacity than the generation that will feed it. If you disaggregate generation and transmission (which "deregulation" has done) and mandate access, you wind up with generators demanding access for more power than lines can carry and otherwise causing trouble for the system. (It also causes trouble when independent generators aren't required to carry their fair share of costs for e.g. generating reactive power.)
We have already seen increasing frequency instability on the grid because of the faulty incentives created by deregulation. If we pursue more of the same, we'll get more blackouts. This is a problem which needs to be fixed before we go further.
You obviously need to build more transmission lines as the power trading grows. This makes economical sense from the power trading efficince gain in generation capacity utilization. If you do this you end up with a grid that has more redundancy wich makes sense when the electrified society gets more and more dependant on 24/365 electricity.
This seems to be an ongoing work in the Nordel electricity trading area. I could go quicker since NIMBY slows down the transmission line investments but over here the grid gets better for each year, not worse.
Does this work for you? "If left to the mechanisms that have driven previous energy transitions, alternative energy sources are not likely to supplant fossil fuels in the short term. It is not known whether substantial and concerted policy intervention might change this conclusion."
that's what I think a lot of people don't understand about peak oil. the more doom your situation the higher the price and the more that actually helps. people are riding on Amtrak more. people are buying hybrids. the average MPG is going up.
You failed to understand the article then, Henry. Did you read about how long energy transitions take normally when "the market" was allowed to work? Did you really? Look at Figure 2 carefully. Please note the time frames for prior transitions. The rise of coal from less than 10% to about 70% of energy took almost 60 years. The rise of oil took almost 60 years. The rise of natural gas took almost 60 years. Now, you can further go back and look at the rise of nuclear, which has been 60 years in the making and it is still not a major power contributor except in France, which has specific government policies to drive that.
The market, clearly based upon historical data, shows that existing capital expenditures on infrastructure cannot be recouped and reinvested in less than 50 years.
Now let's go back to that quote:
Do you seriously argue that 50 years is short term? Short term is usually seen by most reasonable people as a few years to a decade perhaps at most, not most of a lifetime.
There is NO evidence that new energy sources are going to violate the previous growth curves unless supported by specific policies to drive that growth. Given that all of the historical data state exactly the opposite of your position, it is incumbent upon YOU to demonstrate why, in this one special instance, the market is going to do things differently than it ever did before.
Historical data strongly suggests that without special policies, this adoption will not occur in time to matter for alternatives. And please don't give me the growth rates in these early years. Go back and look at the growth rates of oil, coal, and natural gas in their early years too. They were high also but leveled off as available capital came to limit the rate of adoption.
Now I want to see other energy sources adopted. And while I have my misgivings about nuclear, I lean in the direction that we're going need nuclear, like it or not. But look at it! It has failed consistently to break out of the niche in which it has sat for decades now. Most of that, as Alan (another well known TOD poster) notes, is due to the nuclear industry's own incompetence, greed, and short sightedness, not to the technology itself. But yet it has happened anyway.
If we expect adoption of alternatives to occur in anything less than 20 years, then we will need government policies to encourage that adoption, like it or not. We don't have 50 years, Henry. We may not have 20 if we continue to sit on our hands.