Alternative Wind Power Experiments - SkySails and Airborne Wind Turbines


Wind power is currently the fastest growing renewable energy source (in terms of capacity - solar has a faster percentage growth rate), and looks like remaining so into the next decade. While most attention is focussed on the mainstream approach of generating power using large wind turbines - both onshore and, as Jerome recently looked at, offshore - there are a wide range of alternatives being considered for harvesting energy from the winds. In this post I'll look at 2 approaches that have received some attention in the press recently - attaching kite sails to ships and airborne wind turbines.


SkySails and KiteShips - Using Wind Power To Make Shipping More Fuel Efficient

Shipping is the most energy efficient way of transporting goods around, and it therefore likely to be increasingly important for trade as the availability of fossil fuels decreases and the cost of these increases. According to the Financial Times, it often now costs more to ship a container by road 100km from a port to its final destination than it does to move the container by sea from China to Europe.

One way of increasing the energy efficiency of shipping is to increase the size of the vessel, which big shipping operators like Maersk are already pursuing. Another way to reduce fuel consumption for shipping is being promoted by German company SkySails - attaching a kite the size of a football field to a vessel and using wind power to help save fuel costs.

The SkySails apparatus consists of a towing kite with rope, a launch and recovery system and an automatic control system. Autopilot software monitors data from the sail and makes adjustments to ensure the sail is set at its optimal position. The company also offers a weather-based routing system to help ships sail in optimal wind conditions. The kites usually fly around 1000 feet above sea level where winds can be up to 50% stronger than at deck level.

The first ship using the system, the Beluga Skysail, is expected to set off from Germany this month (The Guardian says it is bound for Venezuela while The Times says it will, fittingly, be hauling windmills from Esbjerg, Denmark to Houston, Texas). Once it is well clear of the land, it will launch a 160 sq metre kite, which wind tunnel tests and sea trials suggest will tug it along and save 10-15% of the oil it would normally burn. In time it will be fitted with a larger kite, possibly saving 30-35% on fuel. One estimate predicts this could save around US$10 million over the lifetime of a vessel.

The Guardian quotes Christine Bornkessel from the Beluga shipping line, which has 52 merchant vessels, as saying "This is a serious attempt to reduce bunker [fuel] costs and polluting emissions. The kite will be used whenever it is possible on the voyage, and we are convinced it will revolutionise cargo shipping. We would consider fitting them to all our ships".

The SkySails company has ambitions to roll out the kites quite rapidly - “About 1100 of the 1900 newly built vessels joining the world’s merchant fleet each year are destined to be outfitted with SkySails propulsion”.

If the Beluga performs well on wind power and if the high-flying kites dramatically cut its fuel consumption, then the age of sail will be back.

“It marks the beginning of a revolution in the way that ships are powered,” said Stephan Wrage, the inventor of the SkySails idea. “We calculate that the sails can reduce fuel consumption by between 30 and 50 per cent, depending on the wind conditions. “The system could be applied to about 60,000 vessels out of the 100,000 or so listed in the Lloyd’s register. Bulk carriers, tankers — they could all benefit from the flying sails.”

Orders are already coming in, ranging from trawlers to a super-yacht. If he realises his dream of re-equipping the world fleet, Mr Wrage calculates that his sails could save 142 million tonnes of CO2 a year, equivalent to about 15 per cent of Germany’s total emissions.

The 35-year-old engineer, who came up with the idea as a teenager when he found himself being dragged by a kite along a blustery North Sea beach, is not the only person brooding about how exactly to reduce the gases released by the world’s shipping fleets.

The problem is huge. Merchant ships, which carry 90 per cent of the world’s merchandise, produce more sulphur dioxide than all the cars and lorries on the planet. And, according to the International Council on Clean Transportation, they also generate about 27 per cent of the world’s nitrogen oxide emissions.

Wallenius Wilhelmsen Logistics, the Norwegian fleet management company, has designed a green flagship, the Orcelle, which will use rigid, rotating sails to capture the strongest winds. When the wind drops the sails can be used as solar panels. But the company admits that it could take 15 years before the ship is developed.

The most straightforward way of reducing sea-borne pollution would be to impose a speed limit on the oceans. Carbon emissions would drop by 23 per cent if ships cut their speed by 10 per cent — but shipping experts say that slower cargo movements would lead to more vessels being deployed, and pollution would return to its former levels. ...

The sails, made of an ultralight synthetic fibre, are shot up as much as 300m (984ft) into the sky. ... Mr Wrage calculates that most ship owners should be able to recoup their £290,000 investment in the kite sails within three years.

Drawbacks associated with this scheme include the additional costs associated with the kites - both with buying, installing and maintaining them, and with training and rostering crew members to tend them.

Skysail isn't the only company investigating the kite sail idea - US company KiteShip is building large kites, mostly for yachts, and plans to expand into the larger cargo and cruise ship markets.

Flying Wind Farms

Airborne wind turbines are an idea that I've always found myself somewhat bemused by - "surely they can't be serious ?" I think to myself, whenever I come across another tale of a company trying to fly kites with wind turbines attached to them.

These sorts of stories have continued to appear with monotonous regularity however, and not just out on the alternative energy fringes - in recent months I've seen articles in places like The New York Times, The Economist, PBS' I, Cringely, The Energy Blog, TreeHugger and WorldChanging - many prompted by Google.org's investment in airborne wind company Makani Power (part of their program to make "Renewable Energy Cheaper Than Coal").

The driver for these schemes is that the intermittency issue which reduces the effectiveness of wind turbines operating at ground level is asserted to be much less of a problem at 1000 feet, where the winds tend to blow steadily. Proponents of airborne wind power like Ken Caldeira at the Carnegie Institution's department of global ecology at Stanford University say that if we could tap into 1 percent of the energy in high-altitude winds it would be sufficient to provide all our power needs.

The company that has garnered the most attention in this field is Ottawa-based Magenn Power. Magenn's system is a lighter-than-air wind turbine capable of powering a rural village - the 30 metre wide, helium-filled "Air Rotor System" contains a turbine that spins around a horizontal axis and can produce 10 kilowatts of energy as it floats above the ground while attached to a copper tether. Larger models — ones that might power a skyscraper — are also reportedly in the works. The company claims the governments of India and Pakistan have expressed interest in the first version. Magenn is planning to launch a 1kw prototype (costing around C$1 million) into the air above Ottawa this (northern) spring.

The entrepreneur behind Makani Power is Saul Griffith, originally from my hometown of Sydney but now based in San Francisco. This company is the least transparent of the airborne wind power companies, with very little known about what they are up to.

Another Californian high altitude wind power company is Sky WindPower. This company seems to be the farthest along in its efforts to commercialise their technology and is again directed by an Australian - ex-mechanical engineering professor Bryan Roberts. Jim Fraser at The Energy Blog has a fairly detailed look at what they are proposing:

Sky WindPower is proposing [to] use clusters of Flying Electric Generators (FEGs), on the end of a current carrying tether, in the jet stream at 15,000 to 30,000 feet. The company has done wind tunnel tests and low altitude tests to prove their idea. They are hoping to build a 200 kw model, flying at 15,000 ft, somewhere in a remote area of the U.S. They envision a commercial FEG will have four or eight rotors each generating 2.5 MW. Clusters of FEG's could provide as much power as need for a given site.

The FEG would fly up into the sky, with its rotors powered by electricity off the grid, pulling up its tether. Once it at its desired altitude it would change the pitch on its rotors and start generating power from the wind. GPS technology would be used to assure that the rotorcraft stays within a few feet both horizontally and vertically of where it is programed to be and a computer would control the rotorcraft's attitude, i.e. pitch, roll and yaw.

The amount of power that you can produce in a wind turbine varies as the cube of the velocity and linearly as the density. So although the density decreases with an increase in altitude, the increase in velocity that you gain with higher altitudes more than makes up for the decrease in density. This further explains the advantage that FEG's have flying at high altitudes and allows the rotors to be smaller in diameter. The wind speed, in addition to being higher, is more uniform.

It is much more steady, blowing at high, useful velocities a much greater percent of the time than do winds at ground level. This gives FEGs the advantage of having a higher capacity factor. Capacity factor is the percentage of energy actually captured relative to what would be captured if the wind turbines were operating at full capacity all the time. Ground based sites that can produce a capacity factor of 35% are hard to find. Capacity factors in the jet stream range from about 70% in the southern parts of the U.S to over 90% in the north. At a capacity factor of 90%, FEGs could become the nation's cheapest source of electricity, with an estimated cost per kilowatt hour of less than 2 cents, about half the price of coal.

Also the wind tends to blow from one direction and when it changes direction it changes slowly. The air is free from turbulence caused by friction and ground protuberances, but is subject to high altitude turbulence. This is moderated by the ability of the FEG to sway on its tether rather than being attached to a ridged tower. The FEG can move up and down on its tether the same way an airplane does to avoid turbulence.

The use of tethers to position objects in the sky is not unknown. Balloons tethered at altitudes up to 15,000 feet exist now at fifteen sites along the southern borders of the United States carrying radar equipment to detect illegal flights from the south trying to smuggle drugs. These sites are shown on all aeronautical charts, as restricted spaces, and are well known to pilots. By reserving less than one four hundredth (0.4%) of U.S. air space, located at relatively remote locations, not on airway routes, all the nations electrical energy needs could be met. The strength to weight ratio of new tether materials has improved over time so much that tethers now available are no longer too heavy to be held up by flying energy generating devices at the needed high altitudes. Tether technology is not simple, but a number of vendors now compete in this field selling primarily to the military and NASA. The FEG would be able to moved up or down on its tether to seek the best wind conditions or to move out of excessively turbulent air space.

WorldChanging has some more details on SkyWindPower, noting some of the main drawbacks with these schemes.

Output would also be less dependent on location than it is on the ground, simply because terrain doesn't matter much when you're at 35,000ft; however, since the jetstream and other "geostrophic" winds don't blow much at latitudes near the equator, it would be useful primarily for middle- and higher-latitudes.

They can't promise uninterrupted power all the time, however. In an electrical storm, the power-carrying tether becomes the biggest lightning rod you've ever seen. (Move over, Ben Franklin!) Their website says this problem is "frequently brought to our attention, and must be addressed." Their plan is to take the flyers down to land before a storm gets bad, and wait for it to end.

The flying windmills would initially get in position under their own power, using their motors to drive the propeller blades and helicopter upwards until they reached altitude. Then the motors would turn off and become generators as wind pushes the propeller blades, and the whirligig would float instead of fall because when tethered, the lift generated by the wind would overcome the craft's weight as it also generates power.

The obvious question is safety. What happens if one of these things falls out of the sky? The proposed design has quadruple-redundancy in the propellers used to hold it up and generate power, and the units could be located away from population centers, so that seems reasonable. What about planes running into them, or more likely, their tethers? They would fly in restricted airspace. Sky Windpower points out that there are already many high-altitude tethered balloons in the US that have not had problems, and that enough installations to generate 100% of the US's power needs could fit in 1/400th of the nation's airspace. What about birds getting killed? They say that the flying windmills could make noise that would keep birds away; this would be prohibitive for ground-based turbines, but at high altitude no people will be around to be annoyed by it.

The prototypes Roberts has been making for the last 25 years have gone from wind tunnel to field trial, and they apparently work, with no new technologies required. However, they have been stalled seeking funding for the last three years. The text on their website shows a woeful lack of marketing savvy, leaning towards crackpottyness, so they may not be getting funding anytime soon. But hopefully they will find someone willing to give them a shot, since they seem the most promising of the three [companies looked at here].

Robert Cringely of "I, Cringely" explains some of the history behind these schemes in "Oh, and We Also Saved the World: Google's Energy Plan".

What's cool about these tethered tensile wings, he explained, is that they can be designed in such a way that no aircraft fuselage is needed and yet they can lift (vertically, straight from the ground, no runway even required!) enormous weights. And I mean ENORMOUS weights, like a thousand tons. A fully loaded Boeing 747-400 weighs about 400 tons, so a THOUSAND tons would change the nature of airfreight.

But there's an even better application for this technology than airfreight, he explained, electric power generation. Build a gigantic tethered tension wing and power it with electric motors mounted in the leading edge of the wing. Send the electricity to run these motors up the tether, itself. The wing will take off vertically and once it is at the end of its rope, so to speak, can be made to circle thousands, or even tens of thousands, of feet off the ground without a pilot or any sort of crew.

Remember from your ground school days that wind tends to increase with altitude. Once aloft, circling in the stiff breeze a few thousand feet in the air, it should be possible during most daylight hours to just turn off the electric motors and get them running as generators, taking energy out of the wind. This would be regenerative air braking.

To my knowledge this idea of using a tethered kite to generate power was first put forth back in 2003 by Pete Lynn, a mechanical engineer and second-generation kite designer from New Zealand. He described his work back then in an extensive post on Google Groups as well as on his own web page. (That page is no longer directly available online, but in this week's links we've managed to recover that page thanks to the Internet Archive's WayBack Machine.)

Lynn's explanations in 2003 and 2004 were very clear and the implications of his work even clearer: this was probably the best way yet to extract energy from the wind — far better than more traditional windmills. ...

The problem with wind power is that much of the time there isn't enough of it available to even justify energizing the alternators attached to the large windmills used in wind farms. Unless the wind speed is over, say, 10 miles per hour, it isn't worth running the windmills at all. And above some speed on the order of 40 mph, it again isn't worth the effort, this time because of fear that high winds will damage the windmills — windmills sometimes costing hundreds of thousands of dollars each.

But power-generating tension kites are different, as Lynn so ably explained: "the numbers strongly infer that such a wind turbine system can produce power for around a fifth to a tenth the cost of current generation systems, depending on site costs. This is roughly US 0.5 cents a kilowatt hour, with the likelihood that this will reduce further with mass production."

Five tenths of a cent per kilowatt-hour is VASTLY cheaper than the average retail price was for electricity anywhere in the U.S. in 2005, where electricity costs ran as high as 12 cents per kilowatt-hour in California and 14 cents per kilowatt-hour in the state of New York. So even though the kits would have to be all new construction and the old coal, gas, and oil-fired power plants mothballed or dismantled, the payback period for doing so would be measured in months, not years or decades as most such capital expenses are today. Today, with energy costs even higher, the payback would be even quicker.

Getting the cost of wind-power production so low depends on a couple of factors — building kites that cost very little for the power they generate and allowing them to harvest energy from a larger slug of airspace than is used by the big ground-based windmills employed in most wind farms.

"The trick is that the propeller is operating at the speed of the airplane, which is many times greater than that of the true wind speed," wrote Lynn. "At an overall lift to drag ratio of ten the air plane speed is ten times that of the true wind, with power proportional to wind speed cubed, the propeller can have a thousandth the swept area of a comparable wind turbine for the same power. This makes for a very compact and effective unit, it is important to exploit this apparent wind directly as it allows for much higher specific speed of the propeller and generating unit, (no gearing)... Line length can actually scale with size, somewhat, a 100MW unit might optimally have around a 1000m line. "

Such wind kites would be cheaper to build than current windmills because their structural efficiency is so high, according to Lynn. In fact the weight of such a kite turbine might be only one percent that of a comparable windmill.

According to Lynn's figures, then, to completely replace the one million megawatts of electricity generated in the U.S. annually by a total of 16,000 generators of various types would require 10,000 of those 100-megawatt tethered flying wings. ...

Pete Lynn no longer works in New Zealand. Today he works in Emeryville, CA at a company called Makani Power, which is developing exactly the sort of power-generating kites Lynn envisioned six years ago. Go to the people section of Makani's website and you'll see the healthiest bunch of windsurfer/engineers imaginable, including Pete Lynn, who actually seems to play a minor role in the company.

The only other initiative in this area is a Dutch effort out of the Delft University of Technology, described by The Economist:

Wubbo Ockels of the Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands has been developing another approach to airborne wind generation at lower altitude, with backing from Royal Dutch Shell and Nederlandse Gasunie, a natural-gas company. Dr Ockels’s idea is that a kite (without rotor blades) be launched from a ground station, turning a generator as it rises to an altitude of several hundred metres. When it reaches its full height, it alters its shape to catch less wind, and can thus be reeled back in using much less power than it produced when it was being paid out.

An arrangement of two or more of these kites could act together to produce a steady supply of power. When one kite was being released, part of the electricity produced would reel the other kite back in, and vice versa. The whole system would thus remain in surplus, and if well designed could deliver a constant current. This system has the advantage that it requires only simple parts—generators, kites and cables—and should thus be much cheaper to build than a conventional turbine.

Controlling it, however, would be a different matter. Dr Ockels is working on kites with wings and rudders, which look much more like a plane than anything you might see flying in the park. The wings and rudders themselves would be under computer control—a technology already well established for flying aircraft without too much interference from a human pilot.

To test the idea, Dr Ockels’s team is building a 100kW prototype. He hopes to start testing a full-scale device, which would generate 10MW, within five years. That would be large enough to power around 10,000 homes. He believes the system should be capable of generating electricity at a cost of just 1 cent a kilowatt hour.

Any promise of such cheap energy has to be treated with scepticism, and all these projects are still a long way from the full-scale test rigs needed to prove they will succeed. No-one denies that it will be hard to build a flying generator that can make money. However, the political impetus behind renewable energy is growing and space is limited at ground level. Perhaps it is time for the wind power industry to reach for the sky.

There are other efforts efforts, including an Italian one, Kitegen:
http://www.kitegen.com/
Check out the video on the site for the flight of the prototype.
And there is this:
http://www.briza-technologies.com/index.htm
Check out also the increase in average wind speed as you go higher, and in constancy of wind - the increase in power generated is not a linear progression, but rises as a much higher function of windspeed.
This all boils down to the fact that you transform windpower by harvesting at at altitudes above 800 meters from something which is intermittent, and doesn't happen at any strengths for a lot of the year, to one of the most concentrated and reliable sources of renewable power, which can be accessed almost anywhere.
You throw away the huge structure needed for windmills, and greatly multiply the power, both from the higher average windspeeds at altitude and from the way you can steer the kites to generate virtual wind - the computer control systems for an automated system have already been developed by Skysails, and contrary to what is written here they say that they will need no extra members of staff on board the ships, as it is a fully automated system.
Of course that is yet to prove itself in practise.
Makani is backed by Google.
This could provide ample power for an industrial lifestyle for everyone in the world, and at hugely lower cost than present generation

they will need no extra members of staff on board the ships, as it is a fully automated system

Hopefully that is true - though I suspect there are some cases where crew intervention will be required, so people will need some training at the least.

Thanks for the Kitegen link - I'd never heard of those guys.

Back on earth (and out of the sky...)--

There's the Turby, and this is being implemented as an affordable, small-scale option and one that is needed for PV backup..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turby_wind_turbine

http://www.turby.nl/

It is very nice that this sail will save something south of 30% in fuel costs on what appear to be otherwise a conventional ship.

A century ago, the largest "all sail" ships ever built is the "Preussen" which had 5 masts and was 438 ft. long with a displacement of 5,081 tons, or the "France", 418 ft. long and 5,600 tons displacement.

The largest all sail ship-of-the-line is the French Valmy which displaced 5,826 tons and had a length of 64 meters.

All of these ships used sails rigged from the deck. A kite system that makes use of stronger winds higher up should be able to pull a much larger ship entirely on sail, with the on-board engine plant only used when it is entering / leaving port and the prop feathered the rest of the time. Even better, let the prop rotate and use the energy to generate electricity to carry the ship's hotel load.

An engine that is only used in such a limited fashion can be made much more powerful for a given size than a typical marine engine that is expected to operate 24/7 for the life of the ship.

Why not go for 99% sail powered?

Many trade goods like coal are bulky, low value, and would hardly matter if it spent more time in transit of the fuel savings were large enough.

That is, of course, assuming that such a sailing ship can have a small, inexpensive crew like an oil fired ship.

That monster ship from Maersk I show above apparently has a crew of 13 people - so crew sizes seem to be pretty small.

On a simpler note...I see sails in our future...maybe a "new occupation/industry...once again clipperships set sail...

150 MPG plug-in SUV. it's a start. I can see car-pooling in a 150 mpg car from the suburbs. kunstler's worst nightmare.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/automobiles/13ULTRA.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxzAdTMrq-I&eurl=http://climateprogress.o...

A little off-topic for this thread, but I like the "Kunstler's worst nightmare" tag (so much so I'll steal it for a Peak Energy post).

The 150mpg claim is a furphy as is cogently argued by 'mind' at MetaEfficient:

http://www.metaefficient.com/cars/hybrid-uses-ultracapacitors-gets-150mp...

I love these ideas, despite any shortcomings. It's an aesthetically cool way to power a civilization. Then again, I admit to a fondness for putting things up into the sky, which I've been doing since I was about 6. Being bored in the Indiana far-suburbs, my younger brothers and I made all manner of unlikely things.

Among these things was putting a small generator and fan blade beheath a 12-foot standard-design kite to power the flashlight bulbs on it. Worked until it broke. This would have been in about 1967, in the unlikely event nobody did it before... though we didn't run power down the wire. We did use wire once on a stable kite about 100m in altitude in a thunderstorm to see if we could direct a lightning bolt to some stuff on the ground we wanted to fuse together, but the results were ambiguous as we weren't nuts enough to stand at the base of it, and it was gone after the storm.

We also built enormous translucent hot-air things out of 10-cent plastic dropcloths stapled together, but these had to be "release and watch" devices with the occasional side-effect of sometimes dropping chunks of burning sterno on rooftops like blue napalm... a pretty effect, though, and the things looked like invading martian sandworms or something. But I digress....

Similarly, back in the 60's you could get large surplus military parachutes through mailorder ads in comic books, and we used these for motive power on a number of garage-made vehicles. These would not only propel a human at significant speeds downwind, but would actually go over any buildings in their way. We never did figure a way around the power-line drawback other than to use expendable passengers; and our test-pilot quit riding the things when he had to bail out 20 feet in the air when the 'rocket sled' headed over the Fall Creek School gymnasium. He was still on the rise when he hit the side of it. There was definitely power involved.

Later in life, I suggested kites for the Greenpeace vessel RW, but it was refitted with large fairly-conventional sails instead.

Tensile strength rocks for construction, and hanging things up in the wind to generate electicity is great. Dozens of ways spring to mind, and they should probably all be tried.

Like greenish, I love these ideas.

How far can it go? I see one number of 10 to 15% fuel saving. Why not 99% as D111 suggests? I think the answer must depend on operating cost of bunker oil fuel relative to capital cost of the kites. If the idea succeeds at all, the percent saving will be determined by the drift of prices over time.

Also, I note in the Briza PDF they talk about placing their blimps in the wind shade of their wind turbines. This wind kite idea is the first idea that I've seen that has, I think, some chance of success. It makes me wonder what is the total size of the wind resource. There is wind shade for each one of these things. They must therefore be placed at some minimum spacing. All the different kite designs must have different minimum spacings. Has anyone seen serious engineering / scientific calculations of this resource?

As soon as you get above around 800 meters, 8 times the height of the tallest windmill, or 300 meters at sea, the wind power resource is both vast and reliable.
It contains many hundreds of times as much energy as is needed by, say, 15billion people in a technological society.
It is also one of the most concentrated forms of renewable energy, far more than solar.
Effectively, the only part of a windmill which generates power is the area towards the tips of the rotors, so all the rest of the structure, the base, and the tower and most of the blades, are not generating power.
Kites cut out all this waste.
If you look at the pdf's on the kitegen site I linked, much of what you wanted to know is there.
By sweeping the airspace above a nuclear plant, which is restricted anyway, a kitegen system is calculated to generate as much area as the plant!
The control system for the multiple kites on this system is probably the difficult bit.
You will find most of the rest here:
http://www.skywindpower.com/ww/index.htm
Makani looks to be going for a system where you have the generator on the kite, you power up using an electrical lead of high-performance materials, and fly it to the required altitude.
The propellers then stop being driven, and start collecting wind energy.
The kites would be larger than on the Kitegen system, and controls simpler.
If you think in terms of using around 1% of the airspace in the States, you are in the right ball-park.
The exact amounts depend on all sorts of variables, including the height that is chosen - winds get stronger as you go higher, but obviously affect air traffic control more.
High altitude wind is one of only two technologies I am aware of which might actually greatly reduce energy costs as against current levels, the other being mass-produced nuclear plants.
Hot rock Geothermal could provide a lot of power almost everywhere, but getting it is probably relatively espensive.

The voyage of Emma Maerks, worlds largest cargo ship:

Pick up from China 11,000 20ft containers full of:


    Martini glasses, sports bags, shower gel, shampoo and bath foam, pinball machines, toothpicks, chopsticks, electric guitars, tool boxes, drum kits, lamp shades, silver and wooden photo frames, wooden trouser hangers, candles, books, laptop computers, singing and dancing gorilla toys, poker tables, bingo sets, lunchboxes, cuddly toys, make-up, dolls, toy motorcycles, christmas decorations, sofas, puzzles, televisions, frozen mussles, computer parts, CD players, fax machines, key rings, jam, noodles, biscuits, pumpkins (frozen), more than 1000 bales of carpet, 117 boxes of girls jeans, 40 boxes of brass, 2000 pairs of mens shoes, 9000 pairs of trainers, three boxes of spectacle frames and more than 1500 frozen cooked chickens.

Return from Europe with:

    Plastic scrap, waste paper and card, waste electronic components, repairable electrical goods and scap metal.

...

ransu -

Well that just about perfectly illustrates what globilization is all about circa 2008, doesn't it?

The Chinese make stuff and sell it to the West, whereas what the West sells to China consists mainly of bulk waste material and junk goods ... that are in turn made back into stuff to be sold to the West.

Goods flow from east to west; but money flows from west to east.

It doesn't take a genius to see where this is leading.

How about renaming the ship "Chinese Junk"?

Carrying the products of our crass consumer society. How much of that stuff do we actually need?

"How much of that stuff do we actually need?"

What, you want to cut me off from my supply of "singing and dancing gorilla toys"?

What are you, some kind of Luddite? :-)

RC

I couldnt live without my solar powered halogen rockery lights!

In one of Herman Daly's books he estimates that at least 40% of global trade is simply exchanging the same stuff--e.g., shortbread cookies crossing the mid-Atlantic.

I have seen other studies suggesting that France and Great Britain exchange roughly equal amounts of dairy products.

The kite ideas are nifty, but much more could be saved by simply sharing recipes.

And with food, we spend an enormous amount shipping water at high-speed from one place on the planet to another. Water is a high percentage of the weight of many shipped foods....

Um, the idea that people are swapping the same stuff back and forth is simply nonsense. It is true that some countries import and export oil, but that is simply that the oil they export is different from the oil they import. Australia used to export waxy oil and import asphaltic oil to get enough oil to make it's roads. Perhaps it still does.

This wasn't a comment about oil, but about the basket of goods on container ships. For example, go into a grocery store where you live and look at a section of cooking oils, wines, beers, cheese, baked goods, fruit vegetables, pasta products, etc. and count the countries of origin.

In my town much of the olive oil market is dominated by European imports, though olives grow great here. Wines are usually local, but we can get plenty of French, Italian, Australian and Chilean too. Beers from Europe and Mexico are abundant. Cheese from Europe is easy to get. Hard crackers and cookies from Europe, no problem. Vegetables and fruits come from all over the world! Italian pasta is on our shelves.

Somebody do the same in another country and compare notes.

I haven't read the primary literature on this, but I believe the book was Beyond Growth by Herman Daly were read it. Richard Douthwaite in the bood The Growth Illusion has similar discussion I think.

Much of the cheap Chinese made clothes Americans buy are made of cotton grown in the U.S. south. So the cotton is shipped from the US to China. China makes into clothes and ships it back. So by the time the average American buys the clothes in a Walmart, the item has essentially gone half-way round the world twice. Makes you realize how inconsequential the cost of shipping really is for many products.

And that in turn makes you realize how little actual oil it takes. It's perfectly possible that it saves energy shipping something to China, do stuff with it there, and shipping it back, because shipping containers on ships is so extremely energy-efficient.

That was exactly my point - shipping stuff around is already very efficient (vastly more so than trucking it from port to big box store) and likely to become more so.

This means that coastal areas will be under much less pressure to "relocalise" their economies, as their transport costs aren't the limiting factor - its the cost of the "stuff" itself.

Cities in the hinterland however (especially without good rail connections) are going to be the ones hardest hit by rising transport fuel costs.

Exactly. You can ship ore from Brazil to China for $100 a tonne, and most of that price is due to competition for bulk carriers. A few dollars a kilogram.

The "half-way across the world" argument is just emotional. Once you get it floating, distance isn't that important.

It makes sense to import dairy into London from Brittanny instead of from Scotland. States are not point entities. Though I agree that cheap fuels make all need for efficiency vanish.

With the power kites and ballons the one design factor that is not talked about is the weight of the power lines. To get to the alitude that they want to operate at the power lines will be way too heavy to be held up by the generating unit itself. Maybe there will have to be kite units that attach to the power lines just to support them. I beleive the world record for a kite is around 20,000 ft. It was done with several kites strung out along the line just to support it. I'm sure something similar will have to be done here.
Also the generators will have to be very high voltage to keep the diameter of the power lines small and yet be able to transmitt the nessary power.

Not all of the possible designs use power lines. The Kitegen, for instance, operates at around 800-1000 meters and pulls around a central rotating generator, rather like a clothes drier.
This should be well within current materials technology.
There are a number of other designs which do not include power lines, for instance the Laddermill
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Wind:Ladder_Mills
They fly at rather higher altitude but again do not use power lines:
They are planning on using a material called Dyneema.
http://www.ockels.nl/faq.htm
For some of the other designs I agree that the power line design will be challenging.

Wind can power a human civilization of quite adequate size.

I have discovered a truly marvelous demonstration of this proposition that this margin is too narrow to contain.

Look for a possible future keypost.

I actually went out a few years ago and learned to be a "licensed" windsurfer. That means I have a little card that allows me to rent a windsurfer from anywhere in the world, and it also means I've learned more than the average tyro. I spent some time hanging out with the windsurfers and kite sailors.

I learned two things:

(1) I have windsurfing! Feh! You guys can have it! Phooey!
(2) Windsurfing is losing ground to kite surfing and the reasons why are fascinating. You need a lot of different rigs, different sail sizes and board sizes to match conditions in windsurfing. Meanwhile a kite sailor can cover most conditions with one kite, and may have two. The kiters can sail close to the wind, and it's essentially a fairly simple setup. If things get hairy, you can just let go and the kite dumps and that's that - kite-sailing ships would have a system like this, no more of the rolling and losing your mast business regular sailboats do sometimes. The kite is pretty easy to understand, probably easier to understand than a sail is, really. Aspiring kite sailors are sold a DVD and toy kite, and go through a set of lessons and maneuvers with that. When they learn how the kite works and how to maneuver it, they start lessons with the real thing.

I can see this possibly really taking off, lol. It takes modern fabrics and cordage to make something like this work which is why people weren't doing it 1000's of years ago, but at least for now we have that stuff.

It also takes a sophisticated computer system to control the kite, unless you want to flu it by hand!
Watching the kite deploy and furl back into it's telescopic tube which contains it is fascinating, not to mention the interest of watching it fly under computer control in figure 8's to generate virtual wind!
Here's the video:
http://s2.streamingfarm.tv/streamingfarm/skysails_clips/20070823_SkySail...

I would think the Chinese would really go for this stuff, kite flying being a part of the cultural. That and having invented kites a long time ago.