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Watch the cattle industry.
13 to 1 is the grain to meat ratio.
7 to 1 pigs.
3 to 1 poultry.
1 to 1 fish.
""If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million," David Pimentel, professor of ecology in Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences
"Pimentel noted. Grain-fed beef production takes 100,000 liters of water for every kilogram of food. Raising broiler chickens takes 3,500 liters of water to make a kilogram of meat. In comparison, soybean production uses 2,000 liters for kilogram of food produced; rice, 1,912; wheat, 900; and potatoes, 500 liters.
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Aug97/livestock.hrs.html
In relationship to this, check out Monbiot's article here:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/29/6704/
Monbiot points out that the consumption of the wealthy -- and he also chooses excessive meat-eating as an example -- is a greater threat to the world in many ways than the burgeoning population, which is also a very real problem.
It is precisely this which makes me say, once again, that it does little good to talk about the future of agriculture in with exclusive regard to peak oil, without also carrying on an extensive conversation about environmental ethics, consumption and population ethics, and geopolitics and resource war.
Resource War is, in my opinion, the biggest driving force in the politics of the USA right now. All other issues will be addressed only as crises which are used to concentrate power in order to better conduct the Resource War. (This includes the current economic crisis, IMHO.) Democrats are as enmeshed in this as Republicans, obviously.
Any remaining Future Farmers of America will live in chaotic times, to say the least.
The future of agriculture is no more stable or predictable than thew future of our species.
Agriculture is dominated by men (note: men!) with primitive (bellicose) emotions and strange medieval concepts of themselves as having the Divine Rights of Kings, and who mistake themselves for gods because of our temporary access to god-like technology.
By contrast, the demographics of young, small-scale farmers includes many women. Around here small farmers are about 50:50 female:male I'd guess.
I wrote this on another site regarding a different topic (I think the numbers are correct... at least, I hope they are.):
Putting aside for the moment that not all crops can be grown in all places, my guess is that centeralized vs decentralized will revolve around yields. For example, I doubt that many people will grow wheat in their back yards or even on a mini-farm given a yield of far less than a pound per square foot. FWIW, I've been developing my own strain of winter wheat for a number of years because I find it interesting but I doubt I would try to grow my own if it could still be purchased.
On the other hand, I can see people growing potatoes in barrels since they yield is extremely high per SF. I can also see mini-farms providing some crops where transportation is an issue.
My best guess is that much locally or individually produced food will use hydroponic methods because energy, water and nutritional elements are minimized. And, further because the yields per square foot are astounding. I mentioned a product called the Hydrostacker (hydrostacker.com) in Sharon's thread. In an article in Farm and Ranch Living one farm family was able to reduce their crop land from 40 acres to 1 acre while that acre used no more water that a family of our.
So, all in all, I see grains produced via centralized Ag and much of everything else on a decentralized basis.
Todd
I tend to agree. I also think we will see the resurrection of rail freight for grain rather than trucks as is done now. Canola may only be grown for the purpose of producing bio-diesel for Ag related production.
Further down the food chain, we will see local small scale flour mills come back, alongside locally scaled commercial bakeries. It is much more efficent to truck grain or even flour than it is to transport very light but bulky bread.
This also raises the prospect of local breweries coming back. Ditto for milk and cheese production.
Meat may be a little harder to work through as transport costs actuallty become more efficient when meat is killed and packed in boxes close to where it is grown. Rail freight of livestock may return and butchers may even resort to slaughtering out the back of the shop, a practice which is still pretty common in the third world. (Ox liver anyone?). Of course decentralizing meat processing, limits the collection of tallow for bio-diesel industry.
Chicken, duck and foul will become more common in urban areas both for eggs and meat. This will have some effect on the large scale poultry producers who won't be able to compete on transport costs( you can't herd chooks like you can cattle).
The really interesting tipping point, and IMHO, the first canary to croak, will be the vegetable industry. The cost of production on farm or in garden is only separated by a small margin with labour and mostly FF inputs on farm, virtually eliminated in the home garden.
A loosely organised suburban co-op of home gardeners could produce a very large percentage of that localites vegetable needs, given a reasonable climate and moderatley good soil conditions. Ditto for fruit. The cost of vegies in the supermarket is very sensitive to the cost of transport and vegies are the easiest things to replace. There is much more to explore here in realtion to urban community gardens but I'll save that for another post.
Meat grain and dairy are harder but again there can be a form of relocalization of processing these commodites where the savings in transport outweighs the efficiency of large scale processing plants.
Good luck with growing your own grain Todd. If you ever grow enough I have a wicked scone recipe which you could blow your whole crop on! :)
"Putting aside for the moment that not all crops can be grown in all places, my guess is that centeralized vs decentralized will revolve around yields. For example, I doubt that many people will grow wheat in their back yards or even on a mini-farm given a yield of far less than a pound per square foot. FWIW, I've been developing my own strain of winter wheat for a number of years because I find it interesting but I doubt I would try to grow my own if it could still be purchased.
On the other hand, I can see people growing potatoes in barrels since they yield is extremely high per SF. I can also see mini-farms providing some crops where transportation is an issue."
Exactly the prelude to the Irish Famine.
Even at the Famine's paek, wheat was being exported to England's
Cattle Industry.
Mcgowanmc -
I amused by just how far adrift from the reality here your abstract grain-to-meat ratios are.
I should explain that I farm land between 850 & about 2,000 ft at about 52 degrees N here in Wales.
A fortnight ago we shot a steer that I expect to dress out this weekend at about 150kgs of meat.
Since the grass is both scarce and rather poor up here in January, during his last fortnight of life we gave him two 25kgs bags of organic mixed feed to fill him out a bit - which can make a very positive difference to the quality of the meat.
So, over his 29 months of life he ate 50 kgs of grains, and gave us 150 kgs of meat; i.e. a ratio of 0.33 to 1.0.
This is quite a bit different to your claimed ratio of 13.0 to 1.0 - that is, 39 times better than your ratio;
indeed the very roundness of your numbers would immediately warn any farmer of the extent of their reliability.
Maybe US factory beef rearing is just grossly inefficient and does only get one unit of meat for every 13 units of grain, but the ratio over here for similarly abused animals is just over 8 to 1.
With regard to water consumption, I've no records, since we have 8 streams coming down to the valley's brook from across the land out of the mountains north & south, of which 4 kept going right through the 200-year drought we had in 06.
The best measure I can put on the farm's thruput of water is that the brook flows at about 40 cubic feet per second when it's in full spate.
So please don't be fooled into believing that the questionable numbers you post for intensive industrial livestock production
are anything to do with real farming,
for farming is actually about a symbiosis with the land and its many inhabitants that yields a generally sustainable output of good food,
of which most is eaten by the inhabitant species, but some can be sent out to feed others at a distance.
Regards,
Backstop
The World Food Outlook for November 2007 from the FAO tells us,
In 2006/7, there were produced 2,009.4 million tonnes of grains of all types.
Of those, 735.9 million tonnes were feed for livestock. In 2007, this gave us 278.3 million tonnes of meat of all kinds. And so we find that it took 735.9/278.3 = 2.64kg grain to produce 1kg of meat, worldwide.
So if there are people like you putting 0.33kg of grain into 1kg of meat, there is probably someone putting 4.95kg grain into 1kg of meat.
And of course, much livestock feed goes to animals which aren't bred for their meat, like dairy cattle and wool sheep. So we get more than just meat from them. Milk products were 678.2 million tonnes in 2007.
It's also the case that developing countries use little or no grain for their livestock, while developed countries use rather a lot. So the ratio might be 1:1 in Ghana, but 13:1 in the US, I don't know.
You can't generalise from your personal experience, unfortunately. You just have to look at the figures, while bearing in mind that they're the truth, but not the whole truth - like I said, we should remember that the West feeds more grain to livestock than the Third World, that we get dairy products as well as meat from livestock, and so on.
Kiashu
maybe you should read my post more carefully - I'm not the poster generalizing about feed rates, but rather I pointed out the folly of doing so to a previous poster.
You are for instance mistaken to claim the generalization that "it took 2.64kgs of grain to produce 1kg of meat" -
it did not since (as you later remark) much of our domesticated livestock does not get access to grain.
What you have posted is the production ratio. It is not a causal relationship.
Regards,
Backstop
It depends on the meat. The figures I've seen suggest that beef is much worse than pork or poultry for example:
1 beef cow eats 2600 pounds of grain in its lifetime which requires about 0.4 acres of arable land to grow. It weighs 1200 pounds when taken to slaughter and only half is usable as food.
So 1 pound of beef requires 0.017 acres of arable land to feed it. The equivalent calculation for pork or poultry is 0.0009 acres - 1/20th of the footprint! (Source: http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/egj09/palmer1.html)
Martyn -
which, of umpteen million "beef cows" worldwide, are you talking about ?
At what age was it killed, and for what reason ?
And which 0.4 acres of arable land was needed, and for how long, to yield the 2,600 lbs of which grain to feed her ?
And what, if anything, did she eat besides that grain ?
As I hope you can see, your generalized cow-feed-data is so lacking in detail as to be just about meaningless.
Regards,
Backstop
That's why I posted the link for anyone who wanted to read further although I realise now that that link is broken. Here is the new link to the original article : http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/index.php/egj/article/view/2722/2680. It's by A. R. (Pete) Palmer from the Institute for Cambrian Studies, Colorado
To try and answer the specific question(s), the article reports the grain is consumed in a feedlot where the cow is fattened for between 120 and 150 days before being taken to slaughter. Before this it is in pasture for an unspecified time (so not sure on the age of the cow) but this is not included in the cost. Source data is taken from the U. S. Departments of Agriculture (DOA) and Commerce (DOC) between 1992 and 1996, based on farming practices in Nebraska, Texas and Colorado.
I think the important table is table 3 which i've reproduced below:
Table 3
U. S. Food footprint - summary of components
Commodity footprint*
1. Grain 0.074
2. Vegetables 0.017
3. Fruit 0.010
4. Dairy Products 0.059
5. Eggs 0.017
6. Beef (minimum) 1.070
7. Pork 0.048
8. Chicken 0.044
9. Turkey 0.016
10. Lamb/mutton 0.002
Total 1.357
*U. S. national figures in acres/capita
Presumably 735.9 million tonnes of grain were not fed to livestock just for the hell of it. Someone thought it was necessary, or at least beneficial. That is, they thought that grain as a cause would have an effect of growing meat.
That does not mean that every farmer everywhere must or even will pump their beasts full of grain; but it does mean that on average, some grain is given to livestock. And "some" is quite a lot, with the 735.9Mt fed to livestock compared to the 997.5Mt consumed directly by people.
Let's return to your earlier comment,
Or rather, good farming is this. Bad farming is more like,
or
- things like keeping the beasts in stalls, as in the Bloomfield, Nebraska picture above, for almost their entire lives doing nothing but eat and get hosed down, pumped full of antibiotics to make up for their atrocious conditions.
Those pigs are not out in the fields rooting about and cleaning up old garden beds. They are not in symbiosis with anything. They are machines for converting grain to meat. They simply would not last a day without massive inputs of grain and other feed. That's where a good part - not all, but a good part - of the 735.9 million tonnes goes.
In the West we eat around 100kg (220lbs) of meat each a year on average. It's simply impossible for us to eat that much without most of the beasts living like those pictures.
It does not have to be like this. But that's the way it is in the West. The grain-to-meat ratios are not "abstract", they are part of the unpleasant reality. We do not need large amounts of grain for meat, but we do need large amounts of grain for large amounts of meat.
I eat a lot less meat than I used to but I started getting my pork from our local farmers market. He created a niche for himself by raising 'english forest pigs' and the meat is very flavorful. The pigs are kept at a density of 2-3 per acre.
Babes in the woods
http://forestfed.com/aboutthefarm.htm
More Photos of what seem to be happy pigs
http://forestfed.com/Photos.htm
Kiashu -
The ratio you posted was of worldwide productions, including meat from all feed sources.
It was not a causal relationship - that amount of grain did not produce that amount of meat.
It was merely one, optional, contributory factor to the production of some of that meat.
I hope you can get that.
As a farmer, I'm telling you the animal-abuse images you posted are not bad farming -
they are not farming at all - they are industrial meat manufacturing,
which is actively suppressing farming by externalizing every single cost it can,
and is thus continuing, quite intentionally, to undercut farming's viability.
As a farmer, I posted what seems to me the essential description of farming as an ecologically sustainable way of life.
I hope you'll either accept it, or get enough experience to write a better one.
Maybe I should clarify just what impacts are caused by the growing media-wide propagation of crude generalizations
boosting the supposed disbenefits of beef and other meats -
Far from encouraging people to be more discriminating in what meats they will buy,
that is, just what production-impacts they are sponsoring by their purchases,
it merely discourages meat consumption per se in wealthy nations,
which then leaves that amount of product at marginally cheaper rates on international markets
to be snapped up by dealers for the hundreds of millions of IIIW nouveau riche.
Far from reducing factory production systems with their issues of livestock abuse,
of wasteful application of grain stocks as intensive feeds,
and of drug contamination risks over antibiotics, growth hormones etc,
generalized anti-meat propaganda actively undermines their real competition:
namely the growth of discerning demand for grass-fed livestock from farms
where they have been well-cared for in their lives and where they have served a valuable role ecologically.
From the perspectives of animal welfare, of grain usage, and of food safety,
that generalized anti-meat propaganda ought to be focused specifically
on contrasting the malign factory-production systems with practical livestock farming,
and not onto dissing meat in general.
As it is, it is doing more harm than good.
And that's a farmer telling you so.
Regards,
Backstop
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Dinopello -
We call the pigs you showed "Tamworths" and they are well regarded over here as hardy biddable friendly animals.
They're our oldest native breed but sadly they are also quite rare since they don't take to factory systems.
The new breed society should remedy their rarity with a bit of luck.
It's good to see that some of them are doing well in the states.
If you get a chance to try dry-cured oak-smoked streaky Tamworth bacon, I can strongly recommend it!
Regards,
Backstop
Backstop, thanks for the tip! Just so happens I had Tamworth Bratwurst with some Sauerkraut tonight for dinner. It would have been made with chops, but the guy had sold out of chops at the farmers market.
I also know a guy who is raising Finnsheep not too far from here. He is a friend of mines uncle and every year he gifts a whole lamb.
A Finnsheep
Back to the Tamworths - I can never eat factory farmed regular pork again, that stuff is so good and flavorful. And, I feel much better knowing that the little critters had a decent life rooting around in the forest.
Your steer did not get to 150 kg. on 50 kg. of feed. Most of that weight came off grass. You should have weighed your steer before adding feed to his diet, then the difference between that weight and his final weight could be ascribed to the feed.
In the U.S., most cattle are born on what we call cow-calf ranching operations. The calves get to about 300 to 350 kg. on grass and are sold to feed lots which fatten them to their slaughter weight of roughly 500 to 600 kg. The breeding cows are not sold and are fed over winter to produce another calf crop the next year. Cattle are born in one area and they die far away from home.
Feeding cattle grain marbles their meat, that is, it adds fat and makes it more tender. It takes 10 to 13 pounds of grain to add a pound of meat. We could go to grass-finished cattle that never eat grain and still meet at least half of the U.S. beef demand with the present quantity of cow-calf operations. With better range management, doing a better job of teaching ranchers how to be botanists, we could increase beef production without increasing acreage. As Gene Goven of Turtle Lake, North Dakota, said when he got the rancher of the year award, "My crop is grass. I use cows to harvest it."
Hi Fred,
Hearing firsthand experience and getting an informed picture of how things work is one thing I like about TOD. Thanks.
Can't the critters eat the DDGs from all the
corn ethanol plants ??? So we get food and fuel ...
Triff ..
They do, and it makes them sick and the meat more susceptible to e coli.