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westexas on February 10, 2008 - 6:58pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

A few months ago, one of the talking heads on the Fox News Channel (one of their staff) asked if Chavez cutting off oil supplies to the US was equivalent to the use of weapons of mass destruction against the US. Of course, Chavez has to sell the oil somewhere, so presumably the oil not sent to the US would be offset, for the time being, by oil from elsewhere. Of course, IMO all of this is against a backdrop of declining oil exports. However, the Fox comments do illustrate the thinking by some Neocons.

On the other hand, IMO most of the US is clearly suffering from "Empire Fatigue," which is a point that "Mish" discusses. He has an interesting take on Barack Obama and the war in Iraq. He is making the case that there is a groundswell of support for pulling out of Iraq--not only because of the bloodshed, but because of the financial cost:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-next-president-...

Excerpt:

. . . Obama has united those sick of war for any reason with those convinced that leaving Iraq is the single most important thing economically we can do for the country. That is a powerful union!

. . . Obama has managed to do what McCain and Hillary have not: Unite the country with a simple three word message conveying a positive attitude about change . . .

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TJ on February 10, 2008 - 7:26pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

As a political slogan, it has the major advantage of being totally true.

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Gwydion on February 11, 2008 - 12:19pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I've heard this, "I'm a uniter, not a divider!" line once before from a politician. I'm not saying this time it isn't different (it is different), but to argue against that point, exit polls in California suggested anyway that the people who were sick of Iraq tended to vote to Obama, those concerned about the economy tended to vote more for Clinton:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/the-issues-primary/

Hard to say since that war in Iraq is rather costly.

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CalGuy on February 11, 2008 - 9:55pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I have heard "I'm a uniter, not a divider!" and also "you are either with us or you are against us". Which is it and in which case? Can you believe anything this person says at any time?

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