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New solar-panel technology coming later this year will combine a solar PV panel with thin-plate back panel with fluid channels that absorbs most of the thermal energy of the PV cells (which isn't converted to electricity). With a single installation, there's kilowatts of electrical power to net-zero the electric bill, and all the hot water the family needs. This has the additional advantage of cooling the PV silicon so it's about 10% more efficient - that is, a typical Sharp, Sanyo, or Evergreen panel goes from 15% to about 16.5% efficient.
If you're interested in this, send me private email or look me up at the American Solar Energy conference & trade show in San Diego 5-8 May.
Dick Lawrence
ASPO-USA
dlawrence2 (at) gmail (dot) com
Sounds interesting and exciting Dick. Can you post a link concerning this technology?
http://www.energybulletin.net/40936.html
Looks like the solar cell industry will not be efficient for the campaign to...........
SAVE THE AUTOMOBILE!!!
Wow, Cherenkov, thanks for not providing something helpful on my question and posting a unrelated answer, thanks! Anywho, here's a article on how indium could be replace by carbon nanotubes.
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201201762
Antidoomer;
To be fair, what Cherenkov just did, pulling a grand (in this case negative) conclusion from a single article, as if that said it all, is the same tactic that a number of your posts get so attacked for. I think there's an implication in them that says 'So there. Here's an alleged solution. What energy problem?' Even if that's not really your intention, it is the subtext that I sense from them again and again, and it doesn't usually offer much beyond a sort of Adamant Triumphalism, as opposed to simply hopefulness.
Respectfully,
Bob
Anti: All this talk about the GIANT solar power industry. The solar power industry is a shrimp predicted to be a giant. This shrimp has been predicted to be a giant for quite a while now. Cherenkov was making a good point-a shrimp growing quickly does not a giant make.
Cherenkov is happy any time he can howl about Cars being evil.
I generally find Alan Drake's way of putting it much more convincing and productive, which is to say that Electric rail and Bikes make more sense than EVs. Adding a lot of exclamation marks and bold-type makes cherenkov's arguments weaker, not stronger. Misspent Energy, if you will.
Bob
As far as potential limits to solar cell manufacture, I found this report: Future State of the PV Industry - Trends and Technologies to be instructive.
There may not be enough tellurium to cover all our rooftops with solar panels made from them but I'm sure there is enough for First Solar while we attempt it.
Sounds like a great idea, but likely isn't. Given that one needs 2 (that's two) layers of glass for minimal thermal insulation, the PV output will be reduced about 8% for each extra layer. Also, is the PV layer going to exhibit different spectral characteristics in the infrared (reflecting) vs. the visible (absorbing)? Otherwise, the infrared emissions will reduce the efficiency of the thermal collection side of the efficiency equation.
I saw a posting last week about a system using air cooling, without any insulating cover plates. That one looked like a complete waste of effort to me, since the thermal efficiency would go to zero when the ambient temperature was low. The result, no hot water in winter.
E. Swanson