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unless the 'rich' see that:
a)conspicuous consumption doesn't make them happy
b)other things do make them happy
c)conspicuous consumption among the rich makes poorer people ornery, and a little on the violent side
d)the economic system evolves in such a way that you can't spend your wealth on things of power/novelty that you used to be able to.
The bigger problem with the steady state economy (and my idea of changing the cultural carrot) isn't persuading people that these ideas are 'true', but that there is such momentum to the current system that theres no easy bridge to get to a Steady State Economy. We just need to use our remaining fossil fuels to build more local regional infrastructure as best we can and simultaneously demonstrate that more doesnt necessarily mean better - hopefully that awareness will snowball into a viable path.
Recently I've been blogging about a framework for transitioning from our current growth-oriented economic system to a steady-state economy in balance with the ecos. The entry point to this transition is to first make money a meaningful measure of economic activity. That involves developing a currency standard based on free energy. Money represents an amount of free energy (available to do useful work) and the amount of money in circulation should represent the total amount of free energy extant at any point in time.
The point of an energy standard is that it pegs the value of a currency directly to what it actually is supposed to represent, the ability to do work in the future. The valuation of wealth can then be done with a measure such as emergy, representing past energy expenditures on useful goods and services.
It is vitally important that we know what things cost in energy terms so that we can budget appropriately. This will become absolutely necessary in an era of shrinking net free energy.
The blogs are available at: http://questioneverything.typepad.com/
You might want to go back to the March 14th entry, "What's wrong with this picture?", for some background and introduction. But the March 25 entry, "What is money - really?", conveys the basic idea. I will be continuing this series (with minor diversions) by looking at other economic phenomena such as financing and profit making, etc. in future blogs. Then I will begin looking at possible implementation scenarios.
The main point is that if we are to achieve a realistic steady-state economy at some nominal population size and per capita consumption rate, then we need to be in a position to measure accurately and concisely the true costs of work and products/services to judge their worth.
George
http://faculty.washington.edu/gmobus/
I am reminded of the Pacific Northwest Indian pot-latch tradition. Status was not what you owned but what you gave away. Very interesting tradition. Leadership was directly connected to generosity.
Even with the potlatch tradition someone somewhere had to produce what was given away.
True. But the tradition ensured that leaders were accumulating social wealth, not resource wealth. The fascinating thing was that the participants were producing surplus solely to re-distribute it.
This is fundamentally different from our model where surplus is converted to markers and then hoarded. Well... "invested" is the polite word.
You'd think that in a steady state economy there would be no such thing as surplus.
Plenty of surplus if one has far less people than what the local biosphere can provide.
That's fine if the things you give away were produced by you but perhaps the chiefs gained their status by giving away things that they appropriated from others.
perhaps the chiefs gained their status by giving away things that they appropriated from others.
Seeing as how you don't provide a link, I'd have to call that statement one of casting aspersions.
Here's
a google return with a snip about
revival from one of those returns:
I'd just guess that there wasn't much "appropriated from others", if any.
Except that, for the elite, it's not about happiness. It's about power and winning. And power, much more than mere happiness, really matters.
Happiness is nice but it's a side dish, irrelevant to many for whom it actually gets in the way and slows them down.
Except that, for the elite, it's not about happiness. It's about power and winning.
It's also just plain about the money. There was a quote floating around some years ago from a Dutch economist who'd stated at some big conference: "It may not be profitable to slow decline." That's the kind of insanity behind the growth paradigm. And the more I think about all this the more I am convinced the rich/elite are just plain bonkers... once upon a time, the overlords accumulated wealth as a means of consolidating power. Now they accumulate power for the sake of consolidating not wealth, but fiat currency notes — which they themselves have designed to be ultimately worthless — represented in binary code that is irretrievable without electricity. It is as if currency notes have replaced the sun as humanity's primary focus of worship and sacrifice.
Very thought provoking post! The idea that comes to mind with a "steady state economy" is not that the current system will evolve into a more humanistic system but that the system will devolve into Mercantilism.
"Mercantilism suggests that the ruling government should advance these goals by playing a protectionist role in the economy, by encouraging exports and discouraging imports, especially through the use of tariffs."
Conspicuous consumption may go out of fashion but old habits die hard. People will hoard wealth and resources and we will be looking at somewhat of a zero sum economy. In such an economic environment there will be winners and losers (just as now) but the difference is the losers will be hurting a lot more and over time will be unable to compete.
In America we have been sold the idea that "low taxes are good", "high taxes are bad". Our current tax structure is rigged for the wealthy and is punitive to those that are less wealthy, but any attempt to dismantle that system will be met with stiff (perhaps violent) resistance.
A lot of people are Utopian in outlook (I certainly fit in that group) but when you try and sell that idea to people who fear that they might be a "loser" in that new system, any further proposals to solve the "general problem" will fall on deaf ears.
I think that over time civilization will establish new systems that will be far more egalitarian and capitilism just as totalitarianism will fail, but these systems will initially take hold in small communal ventures (as they are already) but society at large will not reform.
Our current economic system will have to either collapse or be overthrown (violently).