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It was Matt Simmons and here is the video:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=695959732&play=1
It was not about "Peak Oil Debunked" but a reply to Shell's CEO, John Hoffmeister, trying to debunk peak oil.
He gave a pretty good job. One interesting point. At the very top of the hour when they were announcing all the folks that would be on that hour, they played about two seconds of the Peak Oil animated video of the car climbing the hill then going over the cliff. The two seconds they showed was of the car just as it leaped over the cliff.
http://peakoil.com/article33887.html
Ron Patterson
Thank you.
we are on an energy joy ride and toonces is at the wheel!
A cat can't do much worse than the chimp who is currently at the wheel in the US. Hey wait, don't we have a chimp who can drive here?
LOL, a Toonces reference, that was awesome.
Did anyone catch when the host mentioned Simmons' book, Twilight in the Desert, and the image they flashed on the screen was Jerome Cosri's book, Blackgold Stranglehold, which advocates abiotic oil? Something tells me that that was not an accident.
Wow, I made it to the big time - or at least, two seconds made it on air. The original is on YouTube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulxe1ie-vEY
The complete QuickTime is free and available to anyone who wants to use it as part of a presentation. You can download a lo-res version (13 MB) or the hi-res original (165 MB) from here: http://idisk.mac.com/warnwood-Public
Thanks for the links Ron.
Joe
Simmons mentions in this that oil from tar sands is bad quality - to book reserves, such as its oil sands project in Alberta, but doing so amounts to an exercise in “turning gold into lead” because of the vast energy and potable water resources needed there to produce low-quality oil.
Is there a posting somewhere that explains the details? What is oil made from tar sand chemically, why is the quality bad?
The bitumen is heavy oil with a low API. Extraction required strip mining similar to the way coal was mined. The sands were crushed and the heavy oil was separated from the ore using a flotation system. The heavy oil was then either upgraded to synthetic crude by cracking and the addition of hydrogen or mixed with diluents and shipped to a refinery area capable of processing the heavy oil mixture. Deeper tar sands were developed by the drilling of parallel horizontal wells in a process called SAGD (steam assisted gravity drainage). The steam was piped down the upper well and eventually melted the tar. The heavy oil sank to the lower well bore and was pumped out of the lower horizontal well to the surface. There is a third process called THAI (toe to heel air injection) that ignited the oil below surface using high air pressure to produce spontaneous combustion. The fire then melted bitumen and the bitumen was collected along with formation water and combustion produced steam condensate water at the other end of the well system. This process was supposed to upgrade the oil to a lighter variety as shown in lab tests. Early field test results indicated they did not upgrade nearly as much as was hoped. There were some remaining problems with sand and well control that have not been fully described. The process is yet in the R&D - pilot test phase.
I am not a chemist, but understand the bitumen is in the form of longer heavier polymers. These longer hydrocarbon chains were manipulated with expensive processes in order to render salable crude.
What is bad quality today might be of precious quality in the future.
Have you ever heard of the Pitch Drop Experiment? That's what comes out of tar sands. Perhaps you can see from the picture why its so difficult to turn into fuels like gasoline.
The term "gold into lead" might, at least partially, refer to the fact that this stuff can be used to make plastics and some other useful materials that are of enourmous value to modern society (especially modern medicine). Putting so much effort into turning it into fuel really is rather silly.
rainsong is right to say that the viscosity of bitumen has to do with the length of the polymer molecule in it. For polymers, the longer the molecules, the harder they are to pull apart from eachother.
That's a good point, but it actually refers to the use of high quality resources - clean water and natural gas - to turn tar into fuel.
Cheers