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54 comments on Jamais Cascio: Peak Oil vs. Global Warming

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Big Gav on March 28, 2008 - 6:45am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Thanks for digging up the numbers Kiashu.

I think there are few signs the US and Russia will stop extracting coal - even though the banks are starting to make it hard for would be coal burners to build new power plants in the US, Peabody and co are rapidly stepping up exports (see the NY article HO referred to in his coal post yesterday) - so it seems that coal will likely find its way up a smokestack somewhere unless the brakes are applied on a global basis.

Plus every man and his dog seems to be experimenting with coal to liquids (or at least thinking about doing so) now.

To be fair to Jamais and Hansen, they are simply outlining scenarios - unfortunately the BAU scenario looks the most likely by far at this point, which indicates that peak oil won't save us from global warming - far from it...

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mcgowanmc on March 28, 2008 - 9:43am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Optimism -->
Excitement -->
Thrill -->
Euphoria -->
Anxiety -->
Denial -->We're here. IMHO
Fear -->
Depression -->
Panic -->
Capitulation -->
Desperation -->
Hope -->
Relief -->
Optimism -->

"...which indicates that peak oil won't save us from global warming."

W/O oil coal doesn't get mined. If mined, it doesn't get shipped.

Collapse will decide how quickly AGW accelerates.

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eric blair on March 28, 2008 - 6:46pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

W/O oil coal doesn't get mined.

NAw, there is plenty of electric mining Eq. Getting the coal from the mine to the plants - that *MAY* need oil.

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Big Gav on March 28, 2008 - 7:16pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Which part of "coal to liquids" don't you understand ?

Does the phrase 'electric vehicle" mean anything to you ?

Why do people continually ignore existing, practical technology and come up with this "we need (crude) oil to mine coal, grow crops etc etc" ?

Talk about denial...

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